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Post by Pimpernal on May 25, 2013 6:36:52 GMT
Yup, they are much better off joining the party of Godfrey "the public sector is all bad" Bloom  Yes - I picked him up on that... he claimed he was referring to abolishing quangos... |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 25, 2013 11:57:55 GMT
Yup, they are much better off joining the party of Godfrey "the public sector is all bad" Bloom Yes - I picked him up on that... he claimed he was referring to abolishing quangos... Let me guess, quaagos are bad and we could save tens of billions by abolishing most of them. That seems to be Bloom's standard answer as to how he can make his economic proposals add up. The sad part is how many of our members agree with this nonsense. |
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Post by cibwr on May 26, 2013 14:00:23 GMT
There is some pressure in Wales to reinstate two of the quangos that were abolished in our "bonfire of the quangos" - namely the Wales Tourist Board and the Welsh Development Agency..... It was the unaccountable nature of many quangos that was the major problem and their use as a back door mechanism for a party that had no power in Wales to run the country when they had no MPs.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2013 16:09:44 GMT
Well you could have the LEP, another Quango introduced in place of our RDA's ....
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Post by lancastrian on May 26, 2013 16:11:24 GMT
Which party??
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Post by Merseymike on May 26, 2013 23:07:19 GMT
The Labour councillor who defected appeared to be objecting to taking the Labour Whip.
All prospective Labour councillors have to agree that they will take and obey the Party whip. This is nothing new.
Something has clearly upset her, but to join a party whose stance is almost diametrically opposed to Labour's on every issue is bizarre, unless she has shifted a few eons to the Right
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Post by Richard Allen on May 26, 2013 23:39:49 GMT
The Labour councillor who defected appeared to be objecting to taking the Labour Whip. All prospective Labour councillors have to agree that they will take and obey the Party whip. This is nothing new. Something has clearly upset her, but to join a party whose stance is almost diametrically opposed to Labour's on every issue is bizarre, unless she has shifted a few eons to the Right There are plenty former Labour members in UKIP and some of them are way to the left of The Labour Party. |
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Post by Tony Otim on May 27, 2013 9:09:42 GMT
The Labour councillor who defected appeared to be objecting to taking the Labour Whip. All prospective Labour councillors have to agree that they will take and obey the Party whip. This is nothing new. Something has clearly upset her, but to join a party whose stance is almost diametrically opposed to Labour's on every issue is bizarre, unless she has shifted a few eons to the Right There are plenty former Labour members in UKIP and some of them are way to the left of The Labour Party. Some of them even get elected as County Councillors  |
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Post by Pimpernal on May 27, 2013 12:16:25 GMT
So she felt that she could not obey the Labour whip any longer and consequently did the honourable thing and resigned. Well done her!
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 27, 2013 14:04:37 GMT
So she felt that she could not obey the Labour whip any longer and consequently did the honourable thing and resigned. Well done her! There's no evidence that obeying the Labour whip caused her any inconvenience. And given that all the evidence comes from her resignation statement, that's telling. |
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Post by tricky on May 27, 2013 14:46:50 GMT
The Labour councillor who defected appeared to be objecting to taking the Labour Whip. All prospective Labour councillors have to agree that they will take and obey the Party whip. This is nothing new. Well indeed. It is usually one of the first questions in a panel interview and if you don't answer correctly, you have failed the interview. That's interesting. Our question is about what steps you should take if you feel unable to follow the whip. Clearly a difference between our parties. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 27, 2013 22:55:21 GMT
That's interesting. Our question is about what steps you should take if you feel unable to follow the whip. Clearly a difference between our parties. Ours is something along the lines of "if there was a conflict between Group and your ward...". There is no "right answer", but there are ways of answering it that are better than others! I've had panel interviews where it was phrased in that way before. I'm also aware of candidates failing the panel interview because of that question being invited to have the interview again once they've had somebody gently explain what the whip is and why we have it. I'm not sure whether guidance has changed in the last few years, or whether there's just a little bit of local variation. I suspect there is a trade-off between how much you want a particular individual and how much you want to minimise the chances of rocking the boat. |
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Post by Devonian on May 30, 2013 1:58:10 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2013 8:30:51 GMT
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Post by anthony on May 30, 2013 8:59:46 GMT
The two Con-to-UKIP defectors on Merton have formed a group "Merton Coalition" along with three of the four Con-to-Ind defectors. One of the Con-to-Ind defectors (Richard Chellew) is staying outside of this group.
Edit: on Monday, one of the Tory councillors was claiming that one of the Con-to-Ind defectors would be remaining on Tory leaflets in the ward, but given he's now part of the "Merton Coalition" that seems a bit odd . . .
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Post by Devonian on May 30, 2013 12:01:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 12:44:27 GMT
sounds like someone desperate to be a councillor again, what do political principles mater then ?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 7, 2013 14:20:30 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 7, 2013 14:34:19 GMT
It did occur to me at the time that a significant part of UKIP's by-election vote would have come from those who vote for Indies and the like locally.....
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 7, 2013 16:03:49 GMT
Particularly in areas like this: the Independent councillors are often right wing.
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