CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 5, 2024 13:53:31 GMT
In general yes, but I do have a very good friend in Moss Side/Whalley Range borders. And it can be very pleasant being in some of the southern suburbs of Manchester too. As it can in Newhey, Wardle, Norden, Bamford, Bromley Cross, Lostock, etc. As somebody who partly grew up in Levenshulme/Longsight, I love Manchester, but love elsewhere too. |
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Post by batman on Feb 5, 2024 15:31:40 GMT
Some of those are more like independent villages than an integral part of a larger town or city.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Feb 6, 2024 17:43:56 GMT
I'll leave this for the forum to observe for themselves. The Labour candidate getting a rough ride. It's mobile phone footage so not clear, yet the message isn't coming across as positive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 18:19:01 GMT
Looks like an entirely trustworthy source, that. Even less reliable than the average vox pop
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 6, 2024 19:21:02 GMT
I'll leave this for the forum to observe for themselves. The Labour candidate getting a rough ride. It's mobile phone footage so not clear, yet the message isn't coming across as positive. I am not even going to look at it. A set-up to be filmed on a mobile phone. The "Newham Independents" know nothing about Rochdale. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 6, 2024 20:57:14 GMT
I'll leave this for the forum to observe for themselves. The Labour candidate getting a rough ride. It's mobile phone footage so not clear, yet the message isn't coming across as positive.] If it’s real (i.e. not obviously and crudely set up or faked) then it suggests to me that some Conservatives might be tempted to switch over to vote Labour in order to stop Galloway. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 6, 2024 21:03:02 GMT
I'll leave this for the forum to observe for themselves. The Labour candidate getting a rough ride. It's mobile phone footage so not clear, yet the message isn't coming across as positive.] If it’s real (i.e. not obviously and crudely set up or faked) then it suggests to me that some Conservatives might be tempted to switch over to vote Labour in order to stop Galloway. That isn't generally how it works |
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Post by edgbaston on Feb 6, 2024 21:34:35 GMT
If it’s real (i.e. not obviously and crudely set up or faked) then it suggests to me that some Conservatives might be tempted to switch over to vote Labour in order to stop Galloway. That isn't generally how it works It is how it worked in Batley & Spen, in droves. Which was ironic given the final result I accept. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 6, 2024 23:06:08 GMT
That isn't generally how it works It is how it worked in Batley & Spen, in droves. Which was ironic given the final result I accept. that wasn't my experience but I accept I wasn't there as often as others. To me it looked like a genuine swing from Tories to labour rather than tactical voting. Also ironic given it was a net a swing against |
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Post by edgbaston on Feb 6, 2024 23:24:33 GMT
It is how it worked in Batley & Spen, in droves. Which was ironic given the final result I accept. that wasn't my experience but I accept I wasn't there as often as others. To me it looked like a genuine swing from Tories to labour rather than tactical voting. Also ironic given it was a net a swing against I remember the national polls at the time and just how many core voters we were losing to Galloway. I think there was genuine crossover support for Kim as the best person for the job in a race where her and Galloway were the only candidates with any profile whatsoever. |
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Post by graham on Feb 6, 2024 23:45:43 GMT
It is how it worked in Batley & Spen, in droves. Which was ironic given the final result I accept. that wasn't my experience but I accept I wasn't there as often as others. To me it looked like a genuine swing from Tories to labour rather than tactical voting. Also ironic given it was a net a swing against Re- Batley & Spen. Although Labour defied the pundits by hanging on to the seat , the result showed a clear swing from Labour to the Tories compared with 2019. |
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Post by southernliberal on Feb 6, 2024 23:46:53 GMT
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Feb 7, 2024 0:46:41 GMT
Britain First had asked for donations to stand here but didn't, of course. I wonder if the money has been refunded.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 7, 2024 8:02:53 GMT
Britain First had asked for donations to stand here but didn't, of course. I wonder if the money has been refunded. Are bears catholic? |
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Post by Wisconsin on Feb 7, 2024 8:34:09 GMT
Second councillor. Their leader has been peddling a popularist agenda for years and won a by-election in the summer. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 7, 2024 8:39:23 GMT
that wasn't my experience but I accept I wasn't there as often as others. To me it looked like a genuine swing from Tories to labour rather than tactical voting. Also ironic given it was a net a swing against Re- Batley & Spen. Although Labour defied the pundits by hanging on to the seat , the result showed a clear swing from Labour to the Tories compared with 2019. as I said there was a net swing against |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 7, 2024 12:56:43 GMT
Britain First had asked for donations to stand here but didn't, of course. I wonder if the money has been refunded. You are assuming that some money as donated and offering no plausible reason why it may have been |
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Post by YL on Feb 7, 2024 16:02:12 GMT
Re- Batley & Spen. Although Labour defied the pundits by hanging on to the seat , the result showed a clear swing from Labour to the Tories compared with 2019. as I said there was a net swing against Yes, and that "net" is particularly important when considering that by-election. Not only were voters moving between Labour and the Tories, and of course between them and not voting, but you also have to take into account Galloway in the by-election and the Heavy Woollen District Independents in 2019. It does seem very likely that there was a net shift from the Conservatives to Labour, but that Labour losses to Galloway and perhaps also Tory gains from HWDI (though what was going on with their vote is not very clear) more than cancelled that out to give a Lab to Con swing. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 7, 2024 16:08:30 GMT
as I said there was a net swing against Yes, and that "net" is particularly important when considering that by-election. Not only were voters moving between Labour and the Tories, and of course between them and not voting, but you also have to take into account Galloway in the by-election and the Heavy Woollen District Independents in 2019. It does seem very likely that there was a net shift from the Conservatives to Labour, but that Labour losses to Galloway and perhaps also Tory gains from HWDI (though what was going on with their vote is not very clear) more than cancelled that out to give a Lab to Con swing. Some evidence (admittedly anecdotal) that a fair bit of the 2019 HWI/Brexit vote - and certainly more than the Tories expected or wanted - broke for Galloway. Given how close it was that very probably made the difference between Labour winning and losing, and maybe even Starmer staying or going as party leader. Which is ironic given how much GG made his pitch a personalised hate campaign against him, rather as he is doing in Rochdale now. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Feb 7, 2024 22:02:26 GMT
The Green Party has officially disowned their candidate
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Mr Otten will not be endorsed by the party in the upcoming election and nor will he participate in media interviews, canvassing or any hustings – but he has not been kicked out of the party, the Local Democracy Reporting Service understands.
The retired lawyer and tribunal judge said in a statement that he has stepped down from the race in order to stop distractions from the Green Party message. However, the candidate list has already been made official, meaning voters will still be able to tick the box next to his name under the Green Party banner when they go to the polling station on 29 February.
Mr Otten’s statement read “The Green message is too urgent and too important to be distracted by some regrettable social media posts I made a number of years ago. In the interests of the Green Party I have decided to leave the stage.
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“As nominations have now closed, my name will still appear on the ballot. However, I will not take part in any media interviews or join any platforms for hustings, and neither will I be involved in any campaigning.
“I am really delighted that the Green Party is on the verge of making major breakthroughs in a number of constituencies in the next general election. Strong Green representation in parliament is needed now more than ever.”
A Green Party spokesperson said: “The Rochdale Green Party candidate has said that he has ‘decided to leave the stage’ following social media posts made some years ago. As nominations have now closed, his name will still appear on the ballot. However, he will not take part in any campaigning between now and polling day.
“We do not comment on disciplinary matters regarding Green Party members. These are internal matters. However, we are clear, we condemn all forms of racism and discrimination and do not accept it from any Green Party representative or spokesperson.”
George Lythgoe, Local Democracy Reporter
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