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Post by olympian95 on Mar 6, 2024 14:36:21 GMT
Clearly an easy win for Labour tomorrow. But I don't think they will carry every ward in the borough. Blackheath will go Lib Dem I reckon - will the Greens top Ladywell and Crofton Park? Tories in Grove Park?
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Post by batman on Mar 6, 2024 14:53:17 GMT
Twitter tells me that George Galloway was in Lewisham the other day, talking to a rag-tag small crowd of assorted lefties campaigning for the WPB candidate. There was a counter-demonstration by a few Trotskyites holding up placards denouncing GG as a “Stalinist” and a supporter of Iran etc. The bit which amused me was when Galloway said “If you vote for Labour or Conservative in Lewisham on Thursday, you * will * be voting for genocide” because of course London Borough Councils have the powers and jurisdiction to build extermination camps to get rid of their own ethnic minorities. "say no to genocide in Gaza. Say yes to genocide in Syria & Iran!" |
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Post by olympian95 on Mar 6, 2024 15:12:19 GMT
Clearly an easy win for Labour tomorrow. But I don't think they will carry every ward in the borough. Blackheath will go Lib Dem I reckon - will the Greens top Ladywell and Crofton Park? Tories in Grove Park? [br The turnout will be absolutely atrocious I reckon. Maybe 20% ? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Mar 7, 2024 7:42:13 GMT
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Post by batman on Mar 7, 2024 9:18:30 GMT
There was a Lewisham East & West constituency in 1945 (both won by Labour) and Lewisham South was not created until 1950, when Lewisham East was (temporarily as it turned out) abolished. Between 1950 & 1974, after which there again were Lewisham East & Lewisham West constituencies, there was instead a Lewisham North & South (as well as West). As Andrew says Lewisham South was safe Labour, and West marginal, but Lewisham North was also marginal like West and followed a similar but identical path until its final election in 1970, when North was held by Labour's Roland Moyle (later to become a minister & MP for the revived Lewisham East until he lost it in 1983) whereas West was gained by the Tories, in the shape of the then-bearded, later to be famous, John Gummer. Since 1974 Lewisham East & West have always voted for the same party as each other in parliamentary elections.
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Post by froome on Mar 7, 2024 9:54:45 GMT
SOPN: lewisham.gov.uk/-/media/0-mayor-and-council/elections/statement-of-persons-nominated-mayor-of-lewisham.ashx?la=enBrenda Dacres Labour and Co-operative Party John Nicholas Hamilton Workers Party of Britain Michael Herron Green Party Nick Long Independent Chris Maines Liberal Democrats Maureen Maud Martin Christian Peoples Alliance Siama Qadar Local Conservatives Dacres is the sitting councillor for Deptford since 2022 and previously sat for New Cross. Hamilton and Long have both previous stood for People before Profit (Hamilton for Mayor in 2018 and the 2021 Bellingham by-election, Long for Lewisham East in the 2015 general election). Herron appears to be a first time candidate or to have last stood long ago. Maines is a regular Lib Dem candidate in Lewisham who has stood for council (Blackheath 2018, 2022), Mayor (2018, 2022) and London Assembly (List 2021 and will be again in May) Martin is a regular CPA candidate in Lewisham who has stood for Parliament (Lewisham East 2015, 2017, 2018-by, 2019), the London Assembly (List 2016, 2021), council (Leo Green 2018, Catford South 2021-by, Leo Green 2022) and Mayor (2022). Qadar stood for Deptford in the council by-election last year. I assume, given this, that People Before Profit has folded? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 7, 2024 10:03:39 GMT
SOPN: lewisham.gov.uk/-/media/0-mayor-and-council/elections/statement-of-persons-nominated-mayor-of-lewisham.ashx?la=enBrenda Dacres Labour and Co-operative Party John Nicholas Hamilton Workers Party of Britain Michael Herron Green Party Nick Long Independent Chris Maines Liberal Democrats Maureen Maud Martin Christian Peoples Alliance Siama Qadar Local Conservatives Dacres is the sitting councillor for Deptford since 2022 and previously sat for New Cross. Hamilton and Long have both previous stood for People before Profit (Hamilton for Mayor in 2018 and the 2021 Bellingham by-election, Long for Lewisham East in the 2015 general election). Herron appears to be a first time candidate or to have last stood long ago. Maines is a regular Lib Dem candidate in Lewisham who has stood for council (Blackheath 2018, 2022), Mayor (2018, 2022) and London Assembly (List 2021 and will be again in May) Martin is a regular CPA candidate in Lewisham who has stood for Parliament (Lewisham East 2015, 2017, 2018-by, 2019), the London Assembly (List 2016, 2021), council (Leo Green 2018, Catford South 2021-by, Leo Green 2022) and Mayor (2022). Qadar stood for Deptford in the council by-election last year. I assume, given this, that People Before Profit has folded? Deregistrated in 2022: search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP789 |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 7, 2024 10:03:58 GMT
Deregistered, even.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 7, 2024 10:04:24 GMT
Or either? Both? The English language, everybody.
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Post by johnloony on Mar 7, 2024 10:10:20 GMT
There was a Lewisham East & West constituency in 1945 (both won by Labour) and Lewisham South was not created until 1950, when Lewisham East was (temporarily as it turned out) abolished. Between 1950 & 1974, after which there again were Lewisham East & Lewisham West constituencies, there was instead a Lewisham North & South (as well as West). As Andrew says Lewisham South was safe Labour, and West marginal, but Lewisham North was also marginal like West and followed a similar but identical path until its final election in 1970, when North was held by Labour's Roland Moyle (later to become a minister & MP for the revived Lewisham East until he lost it in 1983) whereas West was gained by the Tories, in the shape of the then-bearded, later to be famous, John Gummer. Since 1974 Lewisham East & West have always voted for the same party as each other in parliamentary elections. I think you mean “and” not “&” |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 7, 2024 11:59:14 GMT
Clearly an easy win for Labour tomorrow. But I don't think they will carry every ward in the borough. Blackheath will go Lib Dem I reckon - will the Greens top Ladywell and Crofton Park? Tories in Grove Park? I don't suppose we can actually expect official ward breakdowns? |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 7, 2024 17:48:34 GMT
SOPN: lewisham.gov.uk/-/media/0-mayor-and-council/elections/statement-of-persons-nominated-mayor-of-lewisham.ashx?la=enBrenda Dacres Labour and Co-operative Party John Nicholas Hamilton Workers Party of Britain Michael Herron Green Party Nick Long Independent Chris Maines Liberal Democrats Maureen Maud Martin Christian Peoples Alliance Siama Qadar Local Conservatives Dacres is the sitting councillor for Deptford since 2022 and previously sat for New Cross. Hamilton and Long have both previous stood for People before Profit (Hamilton for Mayor in 2018 and the 2021 Bellingham by-election, Long for Lewisham East in the 2015 general election). Herron appears to be a first time candidate or to have last stood long ago. Maines is a regular Lib Dem candidate in Lewisham who has stood for council (Blackheath 2018, 2022), Mayor (2018, 2022) and London Assembly (List 2021 and will be again in May) Martin is a regular CPA candidate in Lewisham who has stood for Parliament (Lewisham East 2015, 2017, 2018-by, 2019), the London Assembly (List 2016, 2021), council (Leo Green 2018, Catford South 2021-by, Leo Green 2022) and Mayor (2022). Qadar stood for Deptford in the council by-election last year. Nick Long was also the Green Party candidate in Lewisham West in 2005, and People Before Profit candidate for the Rochester & Strood by-election of 2014. |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 7, 2024 21:13:20 GMT
There was a Lewisham East & West constituency in 1945 (both won by Labour) and Lewisham South was not created until 1950, when Lewisham East was (temporarily as it turned out) abolished. Between 1950 & 1974, after which there again were Lewisham East & Lewisham West constituencies, there was instead a Lewisham North & South (as well as West). As Andrew says Lewisham South was safe Labour, and West marginal, but Lewisham North was also marginal like West and followed a similar but identical path until its final election in 1970, when North was held by Labour's Roland Moyle (later to become a minister & MP for the revived Lewisham East until he lost it in 1983) whereas West was gained by the Tories, in the shape of the then-bearded, later to be famous, John Gummer. Since 1974 Lewisham East & West have always voted for the same party as each other in parliamentary elections. Thanks batman. I've made an edit to that paragraph of the Preview and fixed a couple of typos as well. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 8, 2024 0:29:11 GMT
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Post by olympian95 on Mar 8, 2024 1:56:40 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Mar 8, 2024 2:12:41 GMT
Lab 21,576 (51.8%)
Green 6,835 (16.4%)
LD 4,896 (11.8%)
Con 3,784 (9.1%)
WPB 2,378 (5.7%)
CPA 1,233 (3.0%)
Ind 917 (2.2%)
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Post by peterl on Mar 8, 2024 4:10:33 GMT
Percentage changes from 2022
Labour -6.3%
Green +0.4%
Lib Dem +2.0%
Con -2.5%
CPA +1.5%
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 8, 2024 10:15:34 GMT
So it would have been a win on the first count under the old rules - Labour must be fairly content with that.
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Post by where2travel on Mar 8, 2024 15:09:35 GMT
Nobody expected anything other than a dire turnout, but with an electorate of around 200K, the winner just about scraping 20K of them to win surely means people don't care about this. I looked back at the 2001 referendum and even fewer than this (under 17K) voted for an elected mayor in the first place.
What got me thinking about this was wondering what the cost of the by-election actually is, but it's more the cost of the whole thing given there was nothing other than apathy towards the idea in the first place, and no more interest much 20-odd years on.
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Post by mrtoad on Mar 8, 2024 17:02:06 GMT
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