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Pendle
May 3, 2024 19:59:31 GMT
Post by lancastrian on May 3, 2024 19:59:31 GMT
PCC vote here:
Con 8930 Lab 7931 LD 4621
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Pendle
May 3, 2024 21:58:31 GMT
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Post by carolus on May 3, 2024 21:58:31 GMT
Barrowford & Pendleside - Con hold Fence & Higham - LD hold Waterside & Horsfield - Con hold
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Pendle
May 3, 2024 21:59:38 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on May 3, 2024 21:59:38 GMT
Pendle Council has no Labour councillors.
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Post by ideal4radio on May 3, 2024 22:58:00 GMT
What a comment on demographic change. Where did the white working class go? This is a former Little Moscow. Red Nelson. We can probably assume that few of Nelson's traditional working class voted for the Gaza Independents. Yet they don't appear to have voted for anyone else. Have they just evaporated? Have you visited Nelson recently ? Firstly, the Asian heritage community are more likely to vote ( one way or another ) , secondly, it's local elections, so my first point is amplified because of the low turnout compared to a General Election, and thirdly, many of the " white working class " have moved out of Nelson, and the ones who find themselves left are not " political " .. It's not confined to Nelson. In 2017, I organised an reunion for Blackburn Rugby Club's u19's teams from 1979-1983 .... I traced 51 men, who were then aged between 52-55 who had all played for those Youth teams ... precisely 5 out of the 51 still lived in the Borough of " Blackburn with Darwen " !!
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Post by Sg1 on May 4, 2024 1:42:30 GMT
Pendle could be a candidate for perhaps the only seat in the country where a Gaza backlash against Labour could result in a Conservative hold at the general election.
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Pendle
May 4, 2024 6:11:41 GMT
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Post by ideal4radio on May 4, 2024 6:11:41 GMT
Pendle could be a candidate for perhaps the only seat in the country where a Gaza backlash against Labour could result in a Conservative hold at the general election. Burnley may rival that especially with the Boundary changes .... I heard someone cynically suggest that the best use the Conservative party could make of £1,000, is to quietly slip George Galloway's " Worker's Party " £500 for the deposit, in both the Burnley & Pendle seats to ensure that they definitely put up a Candidate ....
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Pendle
May 6, 2024 17:22:02 GMT
Post by lancastrian on May 6, 2024 17:22:02 GMT
The one part of East Lancs where Labour had nothing to celebrate. They closest they came to a seat was 157 votes in the Waterside and Horsfield ward of Colne. In two of the Nelson/Brierfield wards they didn't have a candidate, and two of the candidates they did find finished 4th.
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Post by observer on May 7, 2024 23:26:54 GMT
How do Labour build back from this? It's reasonably clear that their defectors to Gaza Independents had no commitment to 'socialism', preferring religious adherence. A flag of convenience. Labour's recent model, therefore, seems badly holed. I hope they will junk the Left/Islamist model and try to build back as spokesmen for secularism, free speech , equality before the law and class feeling.
Let the islamists form their own party...and let battle be joined on fundamental principles. I suspect though that their former white working class supporters are no longer there. They have literally left the area. So it might not work. But it would be the right thing to do. I can only wish them well.
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May 9, 2024 20:19:45 GMT
Post by maxque on May 9, 2024 20:19:45 GMT
How do Labour build back from this? It's reasonably clear that their defectors to Gaza Independents had no commitment to 'socialism', preferring religious adherence. A flag of convenience. Labour's recent model, therefore, seems badly holed. I hope they will junk the Left/Islamist model and try to build back as spokesmen for secularism, free speech , equality before the law and class feeling. Let the islamists form their own party...and let battle be joined on fundamental principles. I suspect though that their former white working class supporters are no longer there. They have literally left the area. So it might not work. But it would be the right thing to do. I can only wish them well. There is a reason why no party is trying to appeal to that demographic and that's aging, death or refusal of the idea of equality.
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Post by The Bishop on May 11, 2024 10:25:20 GMT
Indeed - Labour have a way back here, but it isn't through misguided appeals to nostalgia.
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Post by Sibboleth on May 11, 2024 15:14:20 GMT
Indeed - Labour have a way back here, but it isn't through misguided appeals to nostalgia. Not least because the families who made Nelson so 'red' long ago will have been precisely the ones most likely to leave as the textile industry declined and entered its death throes as they will have been the ones with the most ambition and drive. There's a reason why the former Nelson & Colne constituency swung so relentlessly rightwards between the 1920s and its absorption into the new Pendle in 1983.
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Post by Sibboleth on May 11, 2024 15:17:32 GMT
Incidentally, the area approximately covered by the former Nelson & Colne constituency would these days have an electorate somewhere in the middle forty thousands or so. This is considerably less than it had during the middle 20th century and, of course, the national population trend has been quite the opposite. Similar comments apply to the pre-1983 version of Burnley. You can work out the implications for yourselves, it isn't terribly difficult.
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Post by edgbaston on May 11, 2024 15:38:17 GMT
Indeed - Labour have a way back here, but it isn't through misguided appeals to nostalgia. Not least because the families who made Nelson so 'red' long ago will have been precisely the ones most likely to leave as the textile industry declined and entered its death throes as they will have been the ones with the most ambition and drive. There's a reason why the former Nelson & Colne constituency swung so relentlessly rightwards between the 1920s and its absorption into the new Pendle in 1983. Why did working in textiles mean they were the ones with the most ambition and drive.
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Post by finsobruce on May 11, 2024 15:46:07 GMT
Not least because the families who made Nelson so 'red' long ago will have been precisely the ones most likely to leave as the textile industry declined and entered its death throes as they will have been the ones with the most ambition and drive. There's a reason why the former Nelson & Colne constituency swung so relentlessly rightwards between the 1920s and its absorption into the new Pendle in 1983. Why did working in textiles mean they were the ones with the most ambition and drive. The ones with most ambition and drive left the industry *
* Because it was in decline.
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May 11, 2024 16:55:55 GMT
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Post by edgbaston on May 11, 2024 16:55:55 GMT
Why did working in textiles mean they were the ones with the most ambition and drive. The ones with most ambition and drive left the industry *
* Because it was in decline.
So presumably the butchers bakers candle stick makers that were left, were more likely to be Tory. It’s an interesting theory but how does this explain for pit villages that keep voting solidly Labour even though the mine closed 50 years ago and depopulation has followed.
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May 11, 2024 17:18:45 GMT
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Post by john07 on May 11, 2024 17:18:45 GMT
The ones with most ambition and drive left the industry * * Because it was in decline.
It’s an interesting theory but how does this explain for pit villages that keep voting solidly Labour even though the mine closed 50 years ago and depopulation has followed. Except that most haven’t kept voting Labour. The former miners are few in numbers in former pit towns and the character of most has changed reverting back to being more traditional agricultural and rural areas. In many cases they are now voting conservative. That is demographic change at work. Labour may win back some of the seats lost at the next general electoral but I suspect that it will be temporary. It is similar to the rural seats in Norfolk that Labour lost in the 1960s against the political trend. The farmworkers vote went through mechanisation in much the same way as the pitman’s vote went more recently.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2024 17:48:15 GMT
The Welsh valleys would seem to disprove that, and the actual results of the last GE in Co. Durham don't really support it either (Easington was a comfortable labour hold, as was North Durham, and Bishop Auckland is probably more to do with Bishop Auckland and Barnard Castle than the mining villages).
It's nowhere near as simple as no more mines --> no more miners --> Tory seat
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Post by hullenedge on May 11, 2024 18:36:33 GMT
Why did working in textiles mean they were the ones with the most ambition and drive. The ones with most ambition and drive left the industry * * Because it was in decline.
Can't speak for Lancashire but in the West Riding numerous young families emigrated to Australia when employment opportunities in our mills dried up. Perhaps they gave a boost to the ALP?
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