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Post by carlton43 on Aug 4, 2023 11:40:50 GMT
I do like the pic of Castle Rising as an indication of the sort of places now falling to the Lib Dem onslought. A few actual 'wins' for a change is an 'onslought'! Well I never. Exciteable chaps LDs! Call that an onslought? Now 1983, 1997 and 2019 .... Those were onslaughts. Real ones! |
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Post by nigelashton on Aug 4, 2023 11:56:16 GMT
It's disappointing that the ALDC of all people don't know the difference between a ward and a division I have known all sorts of people who should know better get that one wrong, and of course a lot of people (especially Tories I find)use division to mean constituency. Eastbourne is a tricky one as all the borough wards are identical to the county divisions. County Counstituencies certainly were called Divisions. When I first joined the Liberal Party in 1973 it was as a member of the 'Buckingham Divisional Liberal Association' |
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Post by bigfatron on Aug 4, 2023 12:13:50 GMT
I do like the pic of Castle Rising as an indication of the sort of places now falling to the Lib Dem onslought. A few actual 'wins' for a change is an 'onslought'! Well I never. Exciteable chaps LDs! Call that an onslought? Now 1983, 1997 and 2019 .... Those were onslaughts. Real ones! Well in 1983 the Tory vote went down, whereas in these elections the Lib Dem vote went up, so in that respect I suppose they are different. Last night's results are one small swallow which does not yet make even a brief summer, but they do give us something to smile about nevertheless... |
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Post by arnieg on Aug 4, 2023 12:31:13 GMT
An encouraging result for the LibDems in Norcot which, if my memory serves me correctly, used to be held by the Liberals many years ago. Yes in 70s it was a 6 member ward (part of which is I think now Kentwood), which regularly elected six Liberalss on <40% of the vote. One of my go to examples when discussing PR. 73/76/79 results on wikipedia en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Reading_Borough_Council_election |
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 4, 2023 12:43:02 GMT
It's the ex-county unitaries that maintain the use of divisions whilst other unitaries use wards that sometimes confuses me a bit, but then that may just be me...
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 4, 2023 12:50:28 GMT
A very good night for the Liberal Democrats I will reserve judgement until we see if they can win in Robert Walpole's 'backyard' and now? |
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Post by iang on Aug 4, 2023 13:16:17 GMT
I do like the pic of Castle Rising as an indication of the sort of places now falling to the Lib Dem onslought. A few actual 'wins' for a change is an 'onslought'! Well I never. Exciteable chaps LDs! Call that an onslought? Now 1983, 1997 and 2019 .... Those were onslaughts. Real ones! 1906 was an onslaught |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 4, 2023 13:19:04 GMT
A few actual 'wins' for a change is an 'onslought'! Well I never. Exciteable chaps LDs! Call that an onslought? Now 1983, 1997 and 2019 .... Those were onslaughts. Real ones! Well in 1983 the Tory vote went down, whereas in these elections the Lib Dem vote went up, so in that respect I suppose they are different. Last night's results are one small swallow which does not yet make even a brief summer, but they do give us something to smile about nevertheless... Hmm. I chose the word onslaught in reaction to the pic of Castle Rising...presumably Falling. It was a joke, carlton. Remember those? Mind you where does Rising rank when we have already taken Windsor? |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 4, 2023 13:37:07 GMT
A few actual 'wins' for a change is an 'onslought'! Well I never. Exciteable chaps LDs! Call that an onslought? Now 1983, 1997 and 2019 .... Those were onslaughts. Real ones! 1906 was an onslaught Was it? But so long ago in the mists of history, a century and a quarter away from now. Who cares any more? |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 4, 2023 13:41:03 GMT
Well in 1983 the Tory vote went down, whereas in these elections the Lib Dem vote went up, so in that respect I suppose they are different. Last night's results are one small swallow which does not yet make even a brief summer, but they do give us something to smile about nevertheless... Hmm. I chose the word onslaught in reaction to the pic of Castle Rising...presumably Falling. It was a joke, carlton. Remember those? Mind you where does Rising rank when we have already taken Windsor? When the victory of a Lib Dem candidate in a by-election (with 600 or so votes out of an electorate of 8,000 or whatever) was described as an “onslaught”, it reminded me of Goebbels’s speech “people, rise up, and storm break loose!”. |
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 4, 2023 14:29:32 GMT
Hmm. I chose the word onslaught in reaction to the pic of Castle Rising...presumably Falling. It was a joke, carlton. Remember those? Mind you where does Rising rank when we have already taken Windsor? When the victory of a Lib Dem candidate in a by-election (with 600 or so votes out of an electorate of 8,000 or whatever) was described as an “onslaught”, it reminded me of Goebbels’s speech “people, rise up, and storm break loose!”. Goebbels final line of that speech reflects Körner‘s Männer und Buben „Das Volk steht auf, der Sturm bricht los“ Körner being an Napoleonic Era poet soldier probably best known for Abschied vom Leben and reasonably well known. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 4, 2023 14:43:35 GMT
It's the ex-county unitaries that maintain the use of divisions whilst other unitaries use wards that sometimes confuses me a bit, but then that may just be me... For the most part, but not exclusively - Buckinghamshire uses wards, for example. |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 4, 2023 15:17:25 GMT
It's the ex-county unitaries that maintain the use of divisions whilst other unitaries use wards that sometimes confuses me a bit, but then that may just be me... For the most part, but not exclusively - Buckinghamshire uses wards, for example. I am sure that the oh so clear thinking Mr Whitehead will be able to explain everything. Pete Whitehead ? And while he's there maybe we can get his view of Robert Walpole's backside, or whatever it was. |
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Post by mattb on Aug 4, 2023 15:47:30 GMT
It's the ex-county unitaries that maintain the use of divisions whilst other unitaries use wards that sometimes confuses me a bit, but then that may just be me... For the most part, but not exclusively - Buckinghamshire uses wards, for example. Yes it is difficult to rationalise the difference between Bucks (wards) and say Wilts (divisions). |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 4, 2023 16:33:09 GMT
Isn't it something like, one is a county with no districts and a county council, and the other is a county with no council but a single district with a council? Why such a difference should exist flummoxes me.
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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2023 16:47:51 GMT
"onslought" sounds like some sort of participle or adjective - perhaps meaning "having met Cranley Onslow" ? As in "When I was living in Woking, I met my local MP. I was onslought."
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Post by batman on Aug 4, 2023 16:52:05 GMT
More seriously, the LD win in Norfolk was not only striking but unforeseen. That constituency is or could be regarded as part of a sort of sub-region, with SE Lincolnshire, SW Norfolk & NE Cambridgeshire, which has a quite strongly conservative culture and recent voting behaviour, punctuated only in King's Lynn & Thetford where Labour have local strength. It's one of the weakest areas in Britain for the Lib Dems, yet here they are coming from nowhere to win a division just outside Lynn (as it is known locally). Labour are generally weak in this sub-region outside the aforementioned towns and I wonder if this portends a bit of a Lib Dem revival in the area.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 4, 2023 17:05:58 GMT
It can't hurt. But andrewteale hinted at the possibility of such an upset in his preview, and recalled a couple of similar by-election victories from nowhere a couple of years ago in King's Lynn, also at county level. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 4, 2023 17:11:01 GMT
Dudley Lib Dem 1321 Labour 771 Con 353 Green 79 TUSC 5 TUSC bar chart for next time could be tricky ... |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 4, 2023 17:47:37 GMT
I have known all sorts of people who should know better get that one wrong, and of course a lot of people (especially Tories I find)use division to mean constituency. Eastbourne is a tricky one as all the borough wards are identical to the county divisions. County Counstituencies certainly were called Divisions. When I first joined the Liberal Party in 1973 it was as a member of the 'Buckingham Divisional Liberal Association' fair point. When I said mostly Tories I think most people I know who had been around that long were Tories. I remember one very closely by election against Sir John Grugeon when one leaflet I put out stated that I was the only candidate living in the division. This got Sir John in a steaming row because of course he lived in the division, but I meant the county division for which this was the election, whereas he meant within the parliamentary constituency. He did of course get the last laugh after several recounts. |
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