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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 13, 2023 15:58:45 GMT
I have to admit I was always used to the South-all pronunciation. I think I first heard it pronounced as Suth-el by Mr Tony Blair. I don't think you did. I think that Sir Tony pronounces it South-all not Suthel. I am pretty sure i heard him say it like that and scratching my head about it. We won't know for sure |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 13, 2023 16:38:08 GMT
I don't think you did. I think that Sir Tony pronounces it South-all not Suthel. I am pretty sure i heard him say it like that and scratching my head about it. We won't know for sure You might have been confusing it with Southwell.  |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 13, 2023 18:58:02 GMT
I am pretty sure i heard him say it like that and scratching my head about it. We won't know for sure You might have been confusing it with Southwell. Don't think so but as i said hard to prove either way |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 13, 2023 19:13:09 GMT
Yebbut if you ask the locals, London would have a borough called Ackney. Well actually no. The old cockney pronunciation is long dead. In modern London Multicultural, the dominant dialect in the area, the h is always pronounced. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 13, 2023 19:18:42 GMT
When I stood as a candidate in the Ealing Southall by-election in 2007, everybody called it “South-all”. As far as I can remember, I have only ever noticed David Butler on the old election results programmes (and nobody else, ever) referring to it as “Suth-al”. I concede the possibility that in the self-contained world of Carltonian logic, that may be defined axiomatically as the “correct” pronunciation, and that correctness is not the same as popularity or popular usage. I am sure we may both be happy to continue with what we believe best. I live in the Geenhill district of Sheffield which falls in the Beauchief and Greenhill ward. I pronounce these Bee-chiff and Green-hill and a significant minority here do the same, whereas the majority use Bee-chiff and Grennel. With Southall near you and the Southwell near me, I always employ Suth-el instead of the rather more chav South-all or South-well. There is just an understood way with all place names that one imbibes very young and to some extent they define a part of outlook and were certainly governed by a class definition that is probably now in steep decay like everything else in modern Britain. There's a Sothall near you (Carlton) in Beighton, which I've never managed to work out how to say correctly. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 13, 2023 19:28:08 GMT
I am sure we may both be happy to continue with what we believe best. I live in the Geenhill district of Sheffield which falls in the Beauchief and Greenhill ward. I pronounce these Bee-chiff and Green-hill and a significant minority here do the same, whereas the majority use Bee-chiff and Grennel. With Southall near you and the Southwell near me, I always employ Suth-el instead of the rather more chav South-all or South-well. There is just an understood way with all place names that one imbibes very young and to some extent they define a part of outlook and were certainly governed by a class definition that is probably now in steep decay like everything else in modern Britain. There's a Sothall near you (Carlton) in Beighton, which I've never managed to work out how to say correctly. Not aware of it and don't know the answer but also don't care either. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 13, 2023 19:35:30 GMT
When I stood as a candidate in the Ealing Southall by-election in 2007, everybody called it “South-all”. As far as I can remember, I have only ever noticed David Butler on the old election results programmes (and nobody else, ever) referring to it as “Suth-al”. I concede the possibility that in the self-contained world of Carltonian logic, that may be defined axiomatically as the “correct” pronunciation, and that correctness is not the same as popularity or popular usage. I am sure we may both be happy to continue with what we believe best. I live in the Geenhill district of Sheffield which falls in the Beauchief and Greenhill ward. I pronounce these Bee-chiff and Green-hill and a significant minority here do the same, whereas the majority use Bee-chiff and Grennel. With Southall near you and the Southwell near me, I always employ Suth-el instead of the rather more chav South-all or South-well. There is just an understood way with all place names that one imbibes very young and to some extent they define a part of outlook and were certainly governed by a class definition that is probably now in steep decay like everything else in modern Britain. You pronounce Southwell as Suth-el because that is the correct way to pronounce it. As others have advised you, it is not the correct way to pronounce Southall and literally nobody does so, any more that anyone pronounces Battersea in the pretentious/fuckwitted/jokey way that weld has suggested |
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Post by batman on Jul 13, 2023 20:25:49 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 13, 2023 20:44:24 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit. That's always how I've heard it. Might be influenced a bit by the poshness of the horsey types associated with racing, which sometimes preserves pronunciation which has fallen out of use among locals (e.g. "o" pronounced as in "ton" or "done" rather than as in "on" or "gone", hence Monmouth pronounced Munmuth, which I suppose is the same deal as Suthell) |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 13, 2023 21:02:35 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit. Wonderful church and much of the centre was good 30-years ago. Nice pub then 'The Bramley Apple' because it is the home of that cultivar. Not far away is Laxton home to the 'Superb' and to one of the last communal strip farms. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 13, 2023 21:04:16 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit. I did hear a suggestion recently that the Shrewsbury issue is related to which side of the river is involved, but I'm not convinced. |
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Post by batman on Jul 13, 2023 21:05:54 GMT
The Beatles used the working title Laxton's Superb for what eventually became I Want To Tell You, a fairly decent Harrison tune which has a very jarring dissonance in the verse. Why, I don't know.
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Post by YL on Jul 13, 2023 21:07:01 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit. It's bizarre that this discussion has started on the thread of a constituency which as far as I'm aware there is absolutely no dispute on how to pronounce. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 21:13:10 GMT
I visited London one day last week, and wandered through northern Battersea.
The park was surprisingly good, varied, relatively well cared for and certainly well used by the locals.
I then visited the recently opened shopping centre in the power station, having an interest in urban regeneration. I was surprised it wasn’t just full of luxury brands. It had the sort of retailers you see in those ‘designer outlet’ centres so, unexpectedly ‘normal.’
The extraordinary number of new apartments on the other hand, gobsmackingly expensive. To the extent that you briefly wonder if there are even that many people who can afford such prices.
They’re not bad blocks though. Just a shocking number of them along the riverside to Vauxhall. And not even all built yet.
And of course there’s also the US embassy there now.
All in all quite an impressive set of redevelopments.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 13, 2023 21:26:19 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit. It's bizarre that this discussion has started on the thread of a constituency which as far as I'm aware there is absolutely no dispute on how to pronounce. Battersea if you're an incomer. Bah'sea if you're local? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 13, 2023 21:48:37 GMT
I've been pondering this. I'm certain that many years ago I thought either "Southgate" or "Southall" had a pronounciation only local people really knew properly. Maybe it was "Suth'ul" because I can't imagine "Suthgate" or "Suth'gt"
Is there an element of Mandela Effect happening here?
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 13, 2023 21:56:16 GMT
I've been pondering this. I'm certain that many years ago I thought either "Southgate" or "Southall" had a pronounciation only local people really knew properly. Maybe it was "Suth'ul" because I can't imagine "Suthgate" or "Suth'gt" Is there an element of Mandela Effect happening here? Which particular southgate are you talking about? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 13, 2023 21:58:25 GMT
I have heard people say that the correct way to pronounce Southwell is actually Southwell. However, it may be that both pronunciations are used locally, although certainly people on the TV or radio referring, perhaps, to its racecourse invariably pronounce it Suth-el. I have heard Shrewsbury pronounced both ways by different people who come from there, but unfortunately I don't recall meeting anyone who has come from Southwell, so maybe I need to visit it one day to find out for sure. If it has any decent pubs that could be a useful pretext for a visit. Wonderful church and much of the centre was good 30-years ago. Nice pub then 'The Bramley Apple' because it is the home of that cultivar. Not far away is Laxton home to the 'Superb' and to one of the last communal strip farms.Someone must be down to their core vote here surely?  |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jul 13, 2023 22:04:58 GMT
I've been pondering this. I'm certain that many years ago I thought either "Southgate" or "Southall" had a pronounciation only local people really knew properly. Maybe it was "Suth'ul" because I can't imagine "Suthgate" or "Suth'gt" Is there an element of Mandela Effect happening here? Which particular southgate are you talking about? Enfield:) Should have typed that I was thinking of these London constituencies in particular. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 13, 2023 22:14:15 GMT
I've been pondering this. I'm certain that many years ago I thought either "Southgate" or "Southall" had a pronounciation only local people really knew properly. Maybe it was "Suth'ul" because I can't imagine "Suthgate" or "Suth'gt" Is there an element of Mandela Effect happening here? In my time, locals always pronounced Southall as South-all. Ocasionally with a "f" for the "th". |
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