piperdave
SNP
Dalkeith; Midlothian/North & Musselburgh
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Post by piperdave on Sept 26, 2024 18:30:23 GMT
I see Ballot Box Scotland has gone into rant mode about this. He's not wrong to |
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john07
Labour & Co-operative
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Post by john07 on Sept 26, 2024 21:18:49 GMT
Even in the axed Newton Mearns-Johnstone seat, does Erskine-Mosspark's 1.5 hour public transport distance trump the 2 hours it would take from Eaglesham to Lochwinnoch? I think not. How is it an hour and a half from Mosspark to Erskine? 27 minutes on the 9A from Corkerhill Road to Braehead. 19 minutes on the X23 from Braehead to Erskine. from rome2rio.com By public transport? |
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Sept 26, 2024 21:36:37 GMT
Rightly so. A seat stretching from Glasgow to Bishopton is insane. A quota busting southern Glasgow seat is also created, all to placate Eastwood. The West Region is now non-contiguous across the Clyde as the Erskine Bridge isn't in the region anymore. The proposed Newton Mearns and Johnstone constituency was completely bonkers though. Connectivity is poor between Newton Mearns and Barrhead, and that's before adding Johnstone and Lochwinnoch to the constituency (linked by a narrow and poorly maintained country road barely wide enough for two cars).
A better alternative would be to link Barrhead to Pollok and Renfrew to Govan. You could then have a county constituency in West Renfrewshire, Neilston and Uplawmoor and a burgh constituency in Paisley and Elderslie forming part of a Greater Glasgow electoral region.
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Post by ntyuk1707 on Sept 26, 2024 21:46:47 GMT
East Renfrewshire is probably one of Scotland's worst designed local authority areas. There are no public transport links between Eastwood and Barrhead and road connectivty is poor. Most people would actually drive through Darnley in Glasgow to get between Eastwood and Barrhead.
Newlands, Carmunnock and Thorntonhall certainly feel more like Eastwood than Barrhead and Neilston do.
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YL
Non-Aligned
Either Labour leaning or Lib Dem leaning but not sure which
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Post by YL on Sept 27, 2024 6:40:53 GMT
Rightly so. A seat stretching from Glasgow to Bishopton is insane. A quota busting southern Glasgow seat is also created, all to placate Eastwood. The West Region is now non-contiguous across the Clyde as the Erskine Bridge isn't in the region anymore. Yes, the criticisms seem reasonable. In particular, the point that it might be better to start by defining the regions and then divide them up into constituencies, as opposed to defining the constituencies and then lumping them together to form the regions, seems a good one. (And while I presume the latter is what they are told to do, they could effectively do the former if they wanted to.) It's not clear that there was any need to breach the Glasgow/greater Renfrewshire boundary at all. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 27, 2024 8:41:15 GMT
East Renfrewshire is probably one of Scotland's worst designed local authority areas. There are no public transport links between Eastwood and Barrhead and road connectivty is poor. Most people would actually drive through Darnley in Glasgow to get between Eastwood and Barrhead. Newlands, Carmunnock and Thorntonhall certainly feel more like Eastwood than Barrhead and Neilston do. It would be absolute pitchfork bait, but the obvious answer would just be to expand the boundaries of Glasgow City Council to take in the areas that you can tell are Glasgow because they act so offended when you point it out. If we were going to be fairly reserved, then it could maybe take in East Renfrewshire, Paisley and Renfrew, Clydebank, Bearsden, Milngavie and Bishopbriggs. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 27, 2024 8:47:02 GMT
If you did that, Rutherglen would be massively offended they'd been missed out, as insisting that they are not Glasgow is the one thing they really live for.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 27, 2024 9:49:38 GMT
Yes, I did mean to include them, but leaving them out might actually be more fun.
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Foggy
Non-Aligned
Yn Ennill Yma
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Post by Foggy on Sept 27, 2024 18:22:44 GMT
Rightly so. A seat stretching from Glasgow to Bishopton is insane. A quota busting southern Glasgow seat is also created, all to placate Eastwood. The West Region is now non-contiguous across the Clyde as the Erskine Bridge isn't in the region anymore. Yes, the criticisms seem reasonable. In particular, the point that it might be better to start by defining the regions and then divide them up into constituencies, as opposed to defining the constituencies and then lumping them together to form the regions, seems a good one. (And while I presume the latter is what they are told to do, they could effectively do the former if they wanted to.) It's not clear that there was any need to breach the Glasgow/greater Renfrewshire boundary at all. It's probably worth reminding ourselves that the names (if not the current boundaries) of the electoral regions were taken directly from Scotland's European Parliament constituencies in 1994, so over three decades later a little more creative thinking might be in order. |
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john07
Labour & Co-operative
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Post by john07 on Sept 27, 2024 21:28:13 GMT
If you did that, Rutherglen would be massively offended they'd been missed out, as insisting that they are not Glasgow is the one thing they really live for. Rutherglen was part of Glasgow from the 1975 regorganisation through to the subsequent rejig in 1996. Clyde Football Club had its origins in Glasgow before relocating to Shawfield Stadium in Rutherglen in 1998. After financial issues caused the sale of the stadium to the Greyhound Racing Association. Eventually Clyde were evicted and spent time at a number of stadiums in Glasgow, North and South Lanarkshire. Glasgow Speedway then spent ten years in Rutherglen from 1988 to 1998 interupted for a year by a bizarre tenancy from Edinburgh Speedway in 1996. Dog racing continued until 2020. All the principal users considered themselves as being from Glasgow. It's not unknown for people from areas just outside major cities to deny any connection. The effort put in by the likes of Wilmslow and Poynton to avoid being incorporated into Greater Manchester demonstrated this. |
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Post by afleitch on Nov 14, 2024 15:55:49 GMT
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