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Post by John Chanin on Jul 2, 2022 5:00:48 GMT
I think I'd like a smaller planet, but with this country remaining the same size it currently is, so that it 'looks bigger'.
At Stirling I read somebody's thesis in the library that demonstrated that some of the inconsistencies with continental drift data could be reconciled if the Earth had been smaller in the past. Or bigger, I can't remember. It was never more than a fringe theory that the continents had split apart because the earth had got bigger. It arose pre plate tectonics to 'explain' geological continuities between continents. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 2, 2022 7:51:40 GMT
Protectionist nonsense that even carlton43 would not defend I am a considerable protectionist and strong supporter of a protected agriculture with as near to self sufficiency as we can achieve, a carefully managed countryside with attention to wild life wild flowers and trees. I would have been a very strong proponent of forming and retaining the Corn Laws for many very good reasons. it was a particular area of study. And No, I do not wish to engage in a futile skirmish with you over those reasons. I see the repeal of those laws to be the most fundamental cause of the slide of Britain from my sort of agrarian nation into a mercantilist nation only concerned with trade, profit and urban living. That is the core and very essence of the difference between Tories and Whigs and why I dislike intensely so much of what you hold dear; for we are structured in an entirely different manner and with very different desires. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jul 2, 2022 14:34:00 GMT
Protectionist nonsense that even carlton43 would not defend I am a considerable protectionist and strong supporter of a protected agriculture with as near to self sufficiency as we can achieve, a carefully managed countryside with attention to wild life wild flowers and trees. I would have been a very strong proponent of forming and retaining the Corn Laws for many very good reasons. it was a particular area of study. And No, I do not wish to engage in a futile skirmish with you over those reasons. I see the repeal of those laws to be the most fundamental cause of the slide of Britain from my sort of agrarian nation into a mercantilist nation only concerned with trade, profit and urban living. That is the core and very essence of the difference between Tories and Whigs and why I dislike intensely so much of what you hold dear; for we are structured in an entirely different manner and with very different desires.
This is where you are essentially viewing the world through the same prism as the hardcore Green/Extinction Rebellion types. That protecting certain 'collective' stuff is more important than any one individual, and that authoritarian policy to maintain this is justified and desirable.
It must be awkward when those wanting to advance the cause can't seem to do so without bundling it in with an agenda of extreme wokeism.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 2, 2022 15:34:25 GMT
I am a considerable protectionist and strong supporter of a protected agriculture with as near to self sufficiency as we can achieve, a carefully managed countryside with attention to wild life wild flowers and trees. I would have been a very strong proponent of forming and retaining the Corn Laws for many very good reasons. it was a particular area of study. And No, I do not wish to engage in a futile skirmish with you over those reasons. I see the repeal of those laws to be the most fundamental cause of the slide of Britain from my sort of agrarian nation into a mercantilist nation only concerned with trade, profit and urban living. That is the core and very essence of the difference between Tories and Whigs and why I dislike intensely so much of what you hold dear; for we are structured in an entirely different manner and with very different desires.
This is where you are essentially viewing the world through the same prism as the hardcore Green/Extinction Rebellion types. That protecting certain 'collective' stuff is more important than any one individual, and that authoritarian policy to maintain this is justified and desirable.
It must be awkward when those wanting to advance the cause can't seem to do so without bundling it in with an agenda of extreme wokeism.
No. I really do not think that I am. I am responding to a question that is mainly historical and expressing a personal view and advising how I would have reacted at that time. I am not an activist, not demonstrating, not organizing, not making demands. On a personal level I am more concerned about wild life and trees than most people. I prefer old style farming and the necessary support and subsidy to make it possible. I think we ought to give more thought to self sufficiency in many matters and less attention to cheap and easy. |
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Post by neilm on Aug 20, 2022 8:15:37 GMT
I'm with carlton43 on wildflowers etc. I live opposite an allotment (some allotments?) with an active policy of planting bee and pollinator friendly plants. My small (decked) back garden is, this year, full of things like borage and various wildflowers which have led to a surge in bees and various butterflies. It may be a coincidence but my tomatoes are fantastic this year. We need to be far more in tune with this stuff. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Aug 20, 2022 19:25:45 GMT
I'm with carlton43 on wildflowers etc. I live opposite an allotment (some allotments?) with an active policy of planting bee and pollinator friendly plants. My small (decked) back garden is, this year, full of things like borage and various wildflowers which have led to a surge in bees and various butterflies. It may be a coincidence but my tomatoes are fantastic this year. We need to be far more in tune with this stuff.
Absolutely. The natural world is pretty miraculous.
If the 'green agenda' was typically focused on this sort of thing, I'd be far more supportive of it.
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 23, 2022 15:44:00 GMT
smaller earth, lower gravity. Assuming the gravity was enough to keep the atmosphere from being lost, would the equivalent of humans be able to fly?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 23, 2022 21:36:28 GMT
Imagine a much smaller world. No Pacific Ocean and no Americas. Just like Columbus imagined it to be. Flights to Tokyo in 6 hours, Hong Kong in 8, Sydney in 10. Something I prepared earlier:  |
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