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Post by edgbaston on May 3, 2022 12:46:31 GMT
EU considering a ‘transnational constituency’ for the next Parliament. Unclear how many members would be elected, ect.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 3, 2022 14:11:03 GMT
EU considering a ‘transnational constituency’ for the next Parliament. Unclear how many members would be elected, ect. These sorts of "functional" constituencies are generally a feature of immature democracies. cf Hong Kong, American senatorial elections before about 1890, British university constituencies, etc. Is this really what the EU wants to be trumpeting? |
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Post by finsobruce on May 3, 2022 14:15:27 GMT
EU considering a ‘transnational constituency’ for the next Parliament. Unclear how many members would be elected, ect. These sorts of "functional" constituencies are generally a feature of immature democracies. cf Hong Kong, American senatorial elections before about 1890, British university constituencies, etc. Is this really what the EU wants to be trumpeting? "I, being the returning officer for Citizens of Nowhere/ Citizens of the World do declare that..." |
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on May 3, 2022 14:20:17 GMT
EU considering a ‘transnational constituency’ for the next Parliament. Unclear how many members would be elected, ect. These sorts of "functional" constituencies are generally a feature of immature democracies. cf Hong Kong, American senatorial elections before about 1890, British university constituencies, etc. Is this really what the EU wants to be trumpeting?
The big political party clubs, as anywhere, don't care as long as they have more power.
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Post by pl on May 3, 2022 14:24:44 GMT
These sorts of "functional" constituencies are generally a feature of immature democracies. cf Hong Kong, American senatorial elections before about 1890, British university constituencies, etc. Is this really what the EU wants to be trumpeting? The big political party clubs, as anywhere, don't care as long as they have more power.
I'm not sure that's the driver. It's our old EU friends functionalism and the ratchet effect. Start with a small number of EU-wide MEPs and slowly grow the number, until you've eradicated 'national' MEPs. Then claim the EP has more legitimacy than national governments because it's elected on a pan-EU basis. |
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on May 3, 2022 14:39:53 GMT
The big political party clubs, as anywhere, don't care as long as they have more power.
I'm not sure that's the driver. It's our old EU friends functionalism and the ratchet effect. Start with a small number of EU-wide MEPs and slowly grow the number, until you've eradicated 'national' MEPs. Then claim the EP has more legitimacy than national governments because it's elected on a pan-EU basis.
The driver is power. The Conservative, Socialist and Liberal blocs want more MPs to diminish the power and influence of the likes of UKIP etc. A way to get this is to give those who have more votes pan-national (The Conservatives, Socialists and Liberals) top up MPs. |
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Post by polupolu on May 3, 2022 16:59:46 GMT
I'm not sure that's the driver. It's our old EU friends functionalism and the ratchet effect. Start with a small number of EU-wide MEPs and slowly grow the number, until you've eradicated 'national' MEPs. Then claim the EP has more legitimacy than national governments because it's elected on a pan-EU basis.
The driver is power. The Conservative, Socialist and Liberal blocs want more MPs to diminish the power and influence of the likes of UKIP etc. A way to get this is to give those who have more votes pan-national (The Conservatives, Socialists and Liberals) top up MPs. I largely agree. I too prefer a federal (in the true sense of the word rather than the Eurosceptic sense) system of elections by country, as people are more likely to understand what they are voting for.
However one small quibble: Christian Democrats are not Conservatives. And one small smile: The Liberals included in your list of large blocs.
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Post by polupolu on May 3, 2022 17:26:25 GMT
EU considering a ‘transnational constituency’ for the next Parliament. Unclear how many members would be elected, ect. These sorts of "functional" constituencies are generally a feature of immature democracies. cf Hong Kong, American senatorial elections before about 1890, British university constituencies, etc. Is this really what the EU wants to be trumpeting? Not sure a EU-wide constituency counts as a functional one. It is just very, very, large.
Also, there is actually an argument that can be made for University constituencies. Students are largely transitory and have less of a stake in an area. Also, under our present system, students (like multiple house owners) have a choice of constituency they can vote in which gives their vote potentially more power than others if one of their constituencies is more marginal.
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 3, 2022 17:47:11 GMT
Obviously an other step to abolish the national states. But it can be vetoed by Orban (although after the elec.debacle it is very likely now, that they will try a legalistic coup d'etat in Hungary).
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 3, 2022 17:58:31 GMT
These sorts of "functional" constituencies are generally a feature of immature democracies. cf Hong Kong, American senatorial elections before about 1890, British university constituencies, etc. Is this really what the EU wants to be trumpeting? Not sure a EU-wide constituency counts as a functional one. It is just very, very, large.
Also, there is actually an argument that can be made for University constituencies. Students are largely transitory and have less of a stake in an area. Also, under our present system, students (like multiple house owners) have a choice of constituency they can vote in which gives their vote potentially more power than others if one of their constituencies is more marginal.
The unniversity vote wasn't a vote for students, but an additional vote for graduates. It wasn't a choice of where to vote, but a Brucey Bonus vote. |
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Post by relique on May 3, 2022 18:27:50 GMT
"The nationalists are winning elections. Let's change the electoral rules !"
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Post by polupolu on May 3, 2022 19:19:19 GMT
Not sure a EU-wide constituency counts as a functional one. It is just very, very, large.
Also, there is actually an argument that can be made for University constituencies. Students are largely transitory and have less of a stake in an area. Also, under our present system, students (like multiple house owners) have a choice of constituency they can vote in which gives their vote potentially more power than others if one of their constituencies is more marginal.
The unniversity vote wasn't a vote for students, but an additional vote for graduates. It wasn't a choice of where to vote, but a Brucey Bonus vote. Yes, sorry, I should have said I wasn't talking about the historic University constituencies. And in their case, of course, we are talking about a much, much, smaller number of voters, as the number of Universities was small.
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Post by xenon on May 3, 2022 20:16:26 GMT
I see no reason not to promote the recognition of Europe-wide parties in EU elections (in Ireland for example they have each party's European group printed on the ballot paper), but to go as far as having joint lists just seems like a way for the bigger countries to get their own way – what's to prevent the top candidates on the S&D list all being from the SPD, those on the EPP list from the CDU, or those on the ALDE (or whatever it's called these days) list from En Marche?
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 3, 2022 21:54:25 GMT
I see no reason not to promote the recognition of Europe-wide parties in EU elections (in Ireland for example they have each party's European group printed on the ballot paper), but to go as far as having joint lists just seems like a way for the bigger countries to get their own way – what's to prevent the top candidates on the S&D list all being from the SPD, those on the EPP list from the CDU, or those on the ALDE (or whatever it's called these days) list from En Marche? No, the EU is finally not even a secret dictatorship of France&Germany - but full of those, who want to abolish the national-states all together (incl. F & D). The EP-factions would rather try to place prominent people in order to get some more votes and especially from countries, where they have so far no/little representation, but some potential. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 28, 2022 10:13:52 GMT
The CSU will still run as themselves. "In alliance with the EPP, the non-Bavarian branch of the CSU".
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