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Post by heslingtonian on May 16, 2022 11:03:54 GMT
The Ashfield-Grimsby by-elections were a powerful illustration that there's something to it - marginal Grimsby (where the MP had died) was held; (then) safe Ashfield (where the MP had resigned for a cushy job at the EU) was lost. Chesham & Amersham rather clouds the idea. so did Eastbourne There's also the 1986 example of Ryedale (where the sitting MP died) and West Derbyshire (where Matthew Parris resigned to present a TV programme) which had similar 1983 majorities and were held on the same day. The Conservatives lost Ryedale while West Derbyshire was (just) retained. Parris has mentioned this several times in his books and columns.
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Post by johnloony on May 16, 2022 11:07:34 GMT
There's also the 1986 example of Ryedale (where the sitting MP died) and West Derbyshire (where Matthew Parris resigned to present a TV programme) which had similar 1983 majorities and were held on the same day. The Conservatives lost Ryedale while West Derbyshire was (just) retained. Parris has mentioned this several times in his books and columns. On the day of those by-elections, the results were expected to be the other way round - Con hold Ryedale and LD gain Derbyshire West. I remember going to bed at about 3am after they had already had 1 recount and decided to do a second. The result for Derbyshire West (a Conservative majority of 100) was declared at 6:30 after 3 recounts.
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Post by Merseymike on May 16, 2022 11:42:34 GMT
The Ashfield-Grimsby by-elections were a powerful illustration that there's something to it - marginal Grimsby (where the MP had died) was held; (then) safe Ashfield (where the MP had resigned for a cushy job at the EU) was lost. Chesham & Amersham rather clouds the idea. so did Eastbourne Eastbourne is a good example of a Tory candidate being chosen who didn't go down well - they picked a notoriously bad-tempered former MP, Richard Hickmet, who wasn't thought to be a good choice. The Tory right are quite keen to get Lord Frost selected, but it would seem odd to pick someone who walked out of government for a by election.
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Post by batman on May 16, 2022 11:49:14 GMT
Apparently there is a bit of a Greek Cypriot community in Eastbourne, and Hickmet being a supporter of Turkish North Cyprus (he has Turkish heritage) was supposed to have gone down badly in that community. But how many of that small community would have voted Conservative in the first place isn't easy to say.
Re the by-elections in W Derbyshire & Ryedale, I recall that there was an exit poll in the former which put the Liberals ahead, only for the votes to be counted & a different story to be told.
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Post by cogload on May 16, 2022 16:57:35 GMT
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Post by Ron Swanson on May 16, 2022 17:16:30 GMT
Clearly not confident of retaining either, so get all the bad news buried in one day?
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Post by andrewp on May 16, 2022 17:19:13 GMT
Clearly not confident of retaining either, so get all the bad news buried in one day? Undoubtedly. Keep it to 10 minutes combined on the news and 2 pages in the newspaper. Not 10 minutes each and 4 pages.
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Post by woollyliberal on May 16, 2022 17:25:11 GMT
Clearly not confident of retaining either, so get all the bad news buried in one day? More likely that they're both vacant and they couldn't think of a reason to call one but not the other.
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Post by heslingtonian on May 16, 2022 18:33:27 GMT
Eastbourne is a good example of a Tory candidate being chosen who didn't go down well - they picked a notoriously bad-tempered former MP, Richard Hickmet, who wasn't thought to be a good choice. The Tory right are quite keen to get Lord Frost selected, but it would seem odd to pick someone who walked out of government for a by election. In my view they would be better off picking Richard Hickmet (who still appears to be practicing at the Bar incidentally) or practically anyone else than Lord Frost.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 18:44:44 GMT
Surely "let's wait until the court case is completely finished would have been a plausible excuse to delay Wakefield?
And surely they'd rather have one defend at a time against two opposition parties running some sort of campaign rather two at a time against a much more united opposition?
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Post by neilm on May 16, 2022 22:37:05 GMT
There's also the 1986 example of Ryedale (where the sitting MP died) and West Derbyshire (where Matthew Parris resigned to present a TV programme) which had similar 1983 majorities and were held on the same day. The Conservatives lost Ryedale while West Derbyshire was (just) retained. Parris has mentioned this several times in his books and columns. On the day of those by-elections, the results were expected to be the other way round - Con hold Ryedale and LD gain Derbyshire West. I remember going to bed at about 3am after they had already had 1 recount and decided to do a second. The result for Derbyshire West (a Conservative majority of 100) was declared at 6:30 after 3 recounts. That would have been an unexpected victory.
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Post by YL on May 17, 2022 10:53:21 GMT
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Post by YL on May 19, 2022 18:23:29 GMT
As far as I can tell Reform UK are the only party to have announced a candidate here yet, less than a week before close of nominations (Wednesday 25th at 4pm).
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Post by greenhert on May 19, 2022 19:57:07 GMT
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Post by BucksDucks on May 19, 2022 23:06:54 GMT
Lib Dems select Richard Foord as their candidate.
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Post by cogload on May 20, 2022 6:06:39 GMT
Unlike C&A the local Tories aren't asleep here....
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Post by LDCaerdydd on May 20, 2022 8:52:55 GMT
Write up from the Telegraph (£)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 20, 2022 8:57:38 GMT
"blue wall"
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Post by andrewp on May 20, 2022 9:02:39 GMT
Sounds like the right candidate. Not a Layla or a Wera.
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Post by WestCountryRadical on May 20, 2022 9:21:19 GMT
He lives in Uffculme in the middle of the constituency and fought Lower Culm ward at the 2019 district elections. Originally from Yatton in North Somerset and was parliamentary candidate for North Somerset in 2017.
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