YL
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Post by YL on May 26, 2022 8:34:05 GMT
Councillor for Wakefield East, elected in 2021 as a Tory but left the party earlier this year. He got a very, very good result in a ward that was safely Labour before and after 2021. Case in point, there was a 45% Labour majority in 2018, and a 53% Labour majority in 2022, yet he won as the Conservative candidate by 1% in 2021. Does anyone know what was going on there? The pattern of a strong Tory result in 2021 and a weak one in 2022 is not unusual of course, nor is a strong Tory result in 2021 in a ward they hadn't won before, but Wakefield East does seem an extreme example: Tories usually hovering around 20% up until 2018, worse than that in 2019 and 17% in 2022, but 46% in 2021. It looks almost like a "biraderi" type result like you sometimes get in parts of Bradford, but the ward isn't that Muslim (at least not by wider West Yorkshire standards; it is quite Muslim by Wakefield standards). Whatever the exact explanation, it does suggest that Akef Akbar has some ability to get votes out of that ward.
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Post by markgoodair on May 26, 2022 9:11:42 GMT
He got a very, very good result in a ward that was safely Labour before and after 2021. Case in point, there was a 45% Labour majority in 2018, and a 53% Labour majority in 2022, yet he won as the Conservative candidate by 1% in 2021. Does anyone know what was going on there? The pattern of a strong Tory result in 2021 and a weak one in 2022 is not unusual of course, nor is a strong Tory result in 2021 in a ward they hadn't won before, but Wakefield East does seem an extreme example: Tories usually hovering around 20% up until 2018, worse than that in 2019 and 17% in 2022, but 46% in 2021. It looks almost like a "biraderi" type result like you sometimes get in parts of Bradford, but the ward isn't that Muslim (at least not by wider West Yorkshire standards; it is quite Muslim by Wakefield standards). Whatever the exact explanation, it does suggest that Akef Akbar has some ability to get votes out of that ward. If you take a look at who has signed his nomination form they are all Asian names.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 26, 2022 9:17:18 GMT
I would suspect differential turnout played a role there.
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wallington
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Post by wallington on May 26, 2022 10:16:05 GMT
The Green candidate is Ashley Routh, who stood in East Ecclesfield ward in Sheffield earlier this month. Ash is also the health spokesperson for Centre, a "centrist and moderate" think tank apparently....
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Post by Ron Swanson on May 26, 2022 10:53:24 GMT
He got a very, very good result in a ward that was safely Labour before and after 2021. Case in point, there was a 45% Labour majority in 2018, and a 53% Labour majority in 2022, yet he won as the Conservative candidate by 1% in 2021. Does anyone know what was going on there? The pattern of a strong Tory result in 2021 and a weak one in 2022 is not unusual of course, nor is a strong Tory result in 2021 in a ward they hadn't won before, but Wakefield East does seem an extreme example: Tories usually hovering around 20% up until 2018, worse than that in 2019 and 17% in 2022, but 46% in 2021. It looks almost like a "biraderi" type result like you sometimes get in parts of Bradford, but the ward isn't that Muslim (at least not by wider West Yorkshire standards; it is quite Muslim by Wakefield standards). Whatever the exact explanation, it does suggest that Akef Akbar has some ability to get votes out of that ward. The Labour candidate was crap as well.
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neilm
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Wakefield
May 26, 2022 13:22:06 GMT
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Post by neilm on May 26, 2022 13:22:06 GMT
Do you not accept that some Tories are capable of racist acts & speech? Hence the reason why we having this by-election in the first place. Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up.
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Post by markgoodair on May 26, 2022 13:28:17 GMT
Hence the reason why we having this by-election in the first place. Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up. The Nonce was selected by the Tories at the last minute because the previous Tory candidate was found to be a racist.
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May 26, 2022 13:38:44 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on May 26, 2022 13:38:44 GMT
Hence the reason why we having this by-election in the first place. Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up. Pederasty is not the same as paedophilia. 15 isn't 5.
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neilm
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May 26, 2022 13:42:01 GMT
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Post by neilm on May 26, 2022 13:42:01 GMT
Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up. Pederasty is not the same as paedophilia. 15 isn't 5. A fair point.
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Post by carlton43 on May 26, 2022 13:44:08 GMT
Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up. The Nonce was selected by the Tories at the last minute because the previous Tory candidate was found to be a racist. This is unhelpful and very provoking because you wish it to be provoking and you are hoping for an extreme reaction that will get someone banned. Don't do it. You are being both boring and childish over it. Nonce is an unpleasant word to keep seeing and racist is another one that is both unpleasant and inappropriate for that fairly mild set of twitters. Please give this a rest and take the rank, toxic, bitterness elsewhere before you cause trouble.
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Post by greenhert on May 26, 2022 14:04:52 GMT
Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up. Pederasty is not the same as paedophilia. 15 isn't 5. Both are still morally wrong and illegal.
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Post by Merseymike on May 26, 2022 14:09:06 GMT
Pederasty is not the same as paedophilia. 15 isn't 5. Both are still morally wrong and illegal. Not the point. I'm not impressed with the way tabloid language has been embraced for political gain
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Post by grahammurray on May 26, 2022 14:28:35 GMT
The Nonce was selected by the Tories at the last minute because the previous Tory candidate was found to be a racist. This is unhelpful and very provoking because you wish it to be provoking and you are hoping for an extreme reaction that will get someone banned. Don't do it. You are being both boring and childish over it. Nonce is an unpleasant word to keep seeing and racist is another one that is both unpleasant and inappropriate for that fairly mild set of twitters. Please give this a rest and take the rank, toxic, bitterness elsewhere before you cause trouble. I agree, Mr 43, that Mark is wrong to call the previous Tory candidate's remarks racist. He should have said racist and sexist.
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cogload
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I jumped in the river and what did I see...
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Wakefield
May 26, 2022 17:00:53 GMT
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Post by cogload on May 26, 2022 17:00:53 GMT
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Post by owainsutton on May 26, 2022 20:30:21 GMT
The Green candidate is Ashley Routh, who stood in East Ecclesfield ward in Sheffield earlier this month. Ash is also the health spokesperson for Centre, a "centrist and moderate" think tank apparently.... She's also a recent co-chair of LGBTIQA+ Greens.
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May 26, 2022 20:34:31 GMT
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Post by aargauer on May 26, 2022 20:34:31 GMT
Ash is also the health spokesperson for Centre, a "centrist and moderate" think tank apparently.... She's also a recent co-chair of LGBTIQA+ Greens. What on earth is A?
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Post by owainsutton on May 26, 2022 20:36:07 GMT
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Post by ArmchairCritic on May 26, 2022 20:53:46 GMT
Because of racist acts and speech? I thought it was because a kiddie fiddler had been locked up. The Nonce was selected by the Tories at the last minute because the previous Tory candidate was found to be a racist. Well....if you consider using the term "Londonistan" at the time he used it as racist, even though it was coined by the French and in common use in the British media, then maybe he was. Or making a joke about having seen Gadaffi on the tube when he was in hiding. Not sure that any of that makes you a racist. In fact Khan came second to Calvert in the selection process. That was how he became the candidate. The story is a bit more convoluted than that but I can't be bothered to explain it to you
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Post by ArmchairCritic on May 26, 2022 20:57:41 GMT
I would suspect differential turnout played a role there. No.....I would say that it was because Labour thought they would always win it and they had three councillors there who were little better than absolutely useless. Akef simply pointed that out by going around the ward highlighting all the basic things they never did and labelling them "Labour's Sleeping Councillors" and it worked.
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Post by owainsutton on May 26, 2022 21:01:01 GMT
The Nonce was selected by the Tories at the last minute because the previous Tory candidate was found to be a racist. Well....if you consider using the term "Londonistan" at the time he used it as racist, even though it was coined by the French and in common use in the British media British media being famously devoid of racism. Likewise France.
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