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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 4, 2022 10:10:15 GMT
That's the psephology of industrial pollution and prevailing winds. I wonder if there are any towns or cities where the prosperous areas are in the east end? Neath. Basically because the river is west of the town. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jan 4, 2022 10:18:24 GMT
From a cursory glance, Plymouth, Poole, Bath, Portsmouth, and Bedford all seem to have prosperous easts and poorer wests. In four of those, water appears to play a major factor - both Portsmouth and Plymouth had their dockyards in their western part, Poole has a working harbour in the west of town and the beaches of Sandbanks to the east, while in Bath the Avon flows west and presumably the wealth wanted to be upstream of the various industries around the city centre and Twerton. Bedford is the only exception to this rule - and I don't know enough about the place to see why the west would be poorer than the east there (and why one part of its east, Goldington, completely bucks that trend). Does anyone have any ideas?
Ipswich has its better areas on the East side (also connected to the river I guess) Good point. Local geography definitely a factor: the docks, railway and associated industry developing to the south and west of the medieval town centre, while the eastern area is notably (by Suffolk standards) higher up, which ameliorates much of the "smog & pollution" factor. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 4, 2022 10:38:27 GMT
That's the psephology of industrial pollution and prevailing winds. I wonder if there are any towns or cities where the prosperous areas are in the east end? Paisley? Ralston and Barshaw are in the east end, and Ferguslie Park in the west end. |
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Post by Clark on Jan 4, 2022 10:59:11 GMT
The town of Aylesbury has been voted as the worst place to live in England - I imagine this contrasts sharply with some of the very pleasant rural Buckinghamshire villages nearby. By people who live there or people who don't? Aylesbury is a depressing dump but I should think its far from the worst place to live in England and there aren't really extreme levels of deprivation anywhere in the town, though there is certainly a contrast between some of the council estates in the town and the very attractive villages which make up the rest of the seat. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 4, 2022 11:05:42 GMT
The town of Aylesbury has been voted as the worst place to live in England - I imagine this contrasts sharply with some of the very pleasant rural Buckinghamshire villages nearby. I know Aylesbury and I wouldn't want to live there. But compare and contrast with :- Middlesbrough Redcar Hull Cleethorpes Mablethorpe Skegness Sheerness St. Helens Gainsborough Louth Workington The 'Worst'? Really? REALLY? |
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Post by froome on Jan 4, 2022 11:14:01 GMT
I wonder if there are any towns or cities where the prosperous areas are in the east end? From a cursory glance, Plymouth, Poole, Bath, Portsmouth, and Bedford all seem to have prosperous easts and poorer wests. In four of those, water appears to play a major factor - both Portsmouth and Plymouth had their dockyards in their western part, Poole has a working harbour in the west of town and the beaches of Sandbanks to the east, while in Bath the Avon flows west and presumably the wealth wanted to be upstream of the various industries around the city centre and Twerton. Bedford is the only exception to this rule - and I don't know enough about the place to see why the west would be poorer than the east there (and why one part of its east, Goldington, completely bucks that trend). Does anyone have any ideas?
Bath's divide is north-south rather than east-west. The north side is mostly very prosperous, especially the further up the hills you go, while the south side is mostly less prosperous, though in the south-eastern hills there are some very wealthy terraces. The hills will have been the major factor here - the rich chose to live well up a hill and leave the pollution in the river valley for the working classes to suffer. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 4, 2022 11:16:20 GMT
I wonder if there are any towns or cities where the prosperous areas are in the east end? My remark about pollution being a major factor in this wasn't totally flippant. It was something I studied as an undergraduate and there is a definite correlation between wind direction in a town or city and the prosperity of various suburbs. The wind blows the dirt from the woking parts eastwards, so the western bits were mostly smoke free.
But that will be less the case in non-industrial places or where there has been wide scale gentrification and a shift. It could also be less true in somehere with a paricular attraction - say a river - on the eatern side or, as with the example someone gave of Oldham, where the east side is up in the hills. But does the wind blow snowflakes from the woking parts? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 4, 2022 11:18:19 GMT
Wirral West is very jarring too, with The Woody in Upton ward in the same seat as Hoylake and West Kirby & the affluent mid-Wirral suburban villages. That sounds like the name of a future constituency...  "In the deep Mid Wirral, frosty wind made moan..." |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jan 4, 2022 11:21:34 GMT
By people who live there or people who don't? Aylesbury is a depressing dump but I should think its far from the worst place to live in England and there aren't really extreme levels of deprivation anywhere in the town, though there is certainly a contrast between some of the council estates in the town and the very attractive villages which make up the rest of the seat. #26 and #27 particularly controversial |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 4, 2022 11:33:17 GMT
That sounds like the name of a future constituency... "In the deep Mid Wirral, frosty wind made moan..." thank you for your contribution, Christina |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 4, 2022 11:53:01 GMT
The town of Aylesbury has been voted as the worst place to live in England - I imagine this contrasts sharply with some of the very pleasant rural Buckinghamshire villages nearby. I know Aylesbury and I wouldn't want to live there. But compare and contrast with :- Middlesbrough Redcar Hull Cleethorpes Mablethorpe Skegness Sheerness St. Helens Gainsborough Louth Workington The 'Worst'? Really? REALLY? You really have a down on Lincolnshire, don't you- five out of the 11 you quote? And while I completely understand some of those, I cannot understand the choice of Louth, which I would have thought a perfectly pleasant little market town - the sort of place I wouldn't mind living in if I had to live anywhere in Eastern England ( something generally pretty low down on my choices, admittedly) |
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Post by grahammurray on Jan 4, 2022 11:56:53 GMT
My remark about pollution being a major factor in this wasn't totally flippant. It was something I studied as an undergraduate and there is a definite correlation between wind direction in a town or city and the prosperity of various suburbs. The wind blows the dirt from the woking parts eastwards, so the western bits were mostly smoke free.
But that will be less the case in non-industrial places or where there has been wide scale gentrification and a shift. It could also be less true in somehere with a paricular attraction - say a river - on the eatern side or, as with the example someone gave of Oldham, where the east side is up in the hills. But does the wind blow snowflakes from the woking parts? Oops, a shocking but non-Freudian slip on this subject. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 4, 2022 11:57:39 GMT
"In the deep Mid Wirral, frosty wind made moan..." thank you for your contribution, Christina Earth was hard in Barnston... |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 4, 2022 12:20:20 GMT
I know Aylesbury and I wouldn't want to live there. But compare and contrast with :- Middlesbrough Redcar Hull Cleethorpes Mablethorpe Skegness Sheerness St. Helens Gainsborough Louth Workington The 'Worst'? Really? REALLY? You really have a down on Lincolnshire, don't you- five out of the 11 you quote? And while I completely understand some of those, I cannot understand the choice of Louth, which I would have thought a perfectly pleasant little market town - the sort of place I wouldn't mind living in if I had to live anywhere in Eastern England ( something generally pretty low down on my choices, admittedly) I know all the places that I quoted well. I know three times as many that could have been added. I deliberately chose from the east as less likely to feature than Yorkshire, West Midlands, and Industrial North West. It is all spur of the moment, personal and eclectic. What constitutes a 'worst'. I would postulate the following attributes :- Middle of nowhere Nothing to see or to do Poor communications Unutterably boring Drab Criminality Poor/Downmarket That can be alleviated by such features as :- Charm Old buildings Good pubs Nice people Excellent communications So in the east I would place Louth as unutterably boring, featureless and miles from anything in any way of any interest at all. Shooting would be my sole interest there. This is true of nearly all towns in Lincolnshire. Even Lincoln is a bit boring depressing and way out on a limb. Stamford is the one town with more charm, nice buildings, good hotel and pubs and crucially less out on a limb and close to the A1 and freedom! I do not suffer from boredom bit would find Yorkshire Wolds, Lincolnshire, much of Cambridgeshire and Norfolk very tedious indeed. Bird watching, shooting, hacking and country walks are OK for a while, but them one does require the stimulation of cultural interaction and pursuits and to be near somewhere to enjoy them. |
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Post by Clark on Jan 4, 2022 12:52:43 GMT
From a cursory glance, Plymouth, Poole, Bath, Portsmouth, and Bedford all seem to have prosperous easts and poorer wests. In four of those, water appears to play a major factor - both Portsmouth and Plymouth had their dockyards in their western part, Poole has a working harbour in the west of town and the beaches of Sandbanks to the east, while in Bath the Avon flows west and presumably the wealth wanted to be upstream of the various industries around the city centre and Twerton. Bedford is the only exception to this rule - and I don't know enough about the place to see why the west would be poorer than the east there (and why one part of its east, Goldington, completely bucks that trend). Does anyone have any ideas?
Bath's divide is north-south rather than east-west. The north side is mostly very prosperous, especially the further up the hills you go, while the south side is mostly less prosperous, though in the south-eastern hills there are some very wealthy terraces. The hills will have been the major factor here - the rich chose to live well up a hill and leave the pollution in the river valley for the working classes to suffer.
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Post by bsjmcr on Jan 4, 2022 19:00:44 GMT
You really have a down on Lincolnshire, don't you- five out of the 11 you quote? And while I completely understand some of those, I cannot understand the choice of Louth, which I would have thought a perfectly pleasant little market town - the sort of place I wouldn't mind living in if I had to live anywhere in Eastern England ( something generally pretty low down on my choices, admittedly) I know all the places that I quoted well. I know three times as many that could have been added. I deliberately chose from the east as less likely to feature than Yorkshire, West Midlands, and Industrial North West. It is all spur of the moment, personal and eclectic. What constitutes a 'worst'. I would postulate the following attributes :- Middle of nowhere Nothing to see or to do Poor communications Unutterably boring Drab Criminality Poor/Downmarket That can be alleviated by such features as :- Charm Old buildings Good pubs Nice people Excellent communications So in the east I would place Louth as unutterably boring, featureless and miles from anything in any way of any interest at all. Shooting would be my sole interest there. This is true of nearly all towns in Lincolnshire. Even Lincoln is a bit boring depressing and way out on a limb. Stamford is the one town with more charm, nice buildings, good hotel and pubs and crucially less out on a limb and close to the A1 and freedom! I do not suffer from boredom bit would find Yorkshire Wolds, Lincolnshire, much of Cambridgeshire and Norfolk very tedious indeed. Bird watching, shooting, hacking and country walks are OK for a while, but them one does require the stimulation of cultural interaction and pursuits and to be near somewhere to enjoy them. The stark difference in relative prosperity between the Fenland district and South Cambridgeshire is striking, the latter being in orbit of course of not only Cambridge but Newmarket, Saffron Walden and indeed London, so I assume plenty of leisure opportunities in those towns if you get bored of Cambridge. Fenland being in the orbit of… Peterborough which seems to regularly rank highly in ‘worst place’ polls though I couldn’t say as I haven’t been, heard it has a nice cathedral though! Louth and Horncastle must be one of the few constituencies not to have a train station at all, particularly depressing given it’s size. I’m sure a whole thread could be dedicated to other such places not on a rail or tram network (Leigh?). I’m biased, but in the north west I’d like to say there are few places that tick all the “worst” boxes because even the most deprived areas are at least part of or connected to a major conurbation, and in other cases the ‘nice people’ element comes in (as I’ve found in Leigh). Probably (and I see you mentioned Workington, which I don’t know much about, and St Helen’s, which at least is well connected to Liverpool and Manchester!), in my opinion Barrow could be the one to tick all your boxes - extremely isolated, and deprived since the loss of shipbuilding industry, but even they have a train station. Fun fact - Barrow-in-Furness has the lowest recycling rate in the country. |
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Post by Clark on Jan 4, 2022 20:25:42 GMT
"Nice people" is an interesting one - could you associate people from a particular area as nice or rude - and would anyone like to nominate any places for such an accolade?!
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Post by bjornhattan on Jan 4, 2022 20:41:24 GMT
"Nice people" is an interesting one - could you associate people from a particular area as nice or rude - and would anyone like to nominate any places for such an accolade?! Bonus points if anyone can name a constituency which is disparate in terms of how nice people are in its different parts! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 4, 2022 21:02:01 GMT
"Nice people" is an interesting one - could you associate people from a particular area as nice or rude - and would anyone like to nominate any places for such an accolade?! Bonus points if anyone can name a constituency which is disparate in terms of how nice people are in its different parts! Well, people in Crewe are very different from people in Nantwich. Whether this extends to their niceness I wouldn't dare say.  |
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Post by Clark on Jan 4, 2022 21:19:38 GMT
I've had a random look around various streets Crewe on Google Streetview and I have to say, it looks quite a nice place at first glance...
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