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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 3, 2021 17:59:09 GMT
I got waylaid...  I think I can guess what 44 will be called. Actually no - I've gone with Bryn-Coch, and Neath for the east bank of the river |
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 3, 2021 19:34:08 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales".
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Post by minionofmidas on Dec 3, 2021 19:57:57 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales". indyref1 is still a long way off though. |
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Post by ππΎπΊππβπΆπΎππ on Dec 3, 2021 21:34:09 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales". Already works in Welsh. Prif Weinidog means both First and Prime Minister. Should really have gone for Cadeirydd/Chairman like other county-like institutions. |
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Post by boogieeck on Dec 3, 2021 21:55:06 GMT
They ought to build council houses on Anglesey until it meets threshold
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 3, 2021 22:03:54 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales". Already works in Welsh. Prif Weinidog means both First and Prime Minister. Should really have gone for Cadeirydd/Chairman like other county-like institutions. Well I suppose First Minister could be rendered as Y Weinidog Cyntaf, but that would just get people sniggering. |
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Post by johng on Dec 4, 2021 1:36:40 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales". Already works in Welsh. Prif Weinidog means both First and Prime Minister. Should really have gone for Cadeirydd/Chairman like other county-like institutions. Which countries refer to their leaders are 'chairman' outside of Maoist China? To really nark the anti-Welsh element, we should have borrowed the use of president from continental Europe.
Mark Drakeford - President of the Welsh Government. Elin Jones - President of the Legislative Chamber. Russell George - President of the Health and Social Care Committee.
Edit: Just realised you wrote county and not country. Perhaps my President idea isn't so bad after all.
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 4, 2021 10:45:18 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales".Though this hasn't yet happened in Scotland. |
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 4, 2021 10:54:44 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales". Already works in Welsh. Prif Weinidog means both First and Prime Minister. Should really have gone for Cadeirydd/Chairman like other county-like institutions. Whiny dog sounds really dreadful in English |
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Post by stb12 on Dec 5, 2021 1:41:52 GMT
Predictable that the Welsh Assembly would rename itself as a parliament, and then want to increase its numbers. The next thing will probably be to re-name the First Minister the "prime minister of Wales".Though this hasn't yet happened in Scotland. Interestingly Prime Minister of Northern Ireland was used for the original form of devolution there
Is there much known significance behind that being used then, only for First Minister to become the phrase for future devolution in the UK?
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Post by cibwr on Dec 5, 2021 14:28:18 GMT
the original title was First Secretary of the Executive Committee of the National Assembly for Wales
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Post by ππΎπΊππβπΆπΎππ on Dec 5, 2021 15:32:37 GMT
Already works in Welsh. Prif Weinidog means both First and Prime Minister. Should really have gone for Cadeirydd/Chairman like other county-like institutions. Whiny dog sounds really dreadful in English It's etymologically nothing to do with whiny dogs! It's the prefix gwo- (under, cognate with hypo-), plus gnif (toil), plus the suffix -og (which tends to mean "someone who does x", e.g. swyddog, an officer, someone who does a swydd, a job). It's a fairly good equivalent to the Greek α½ΟΞ·Οα½³ΟΞ·Ο, which gets rendered as minister in the Latin Vulgate. |
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Post by johng on Dec 5, 2021 15:33:00 GMT
the original title was First Secretary of the Executive Committee of the National Assembly for Wales That doesn't sound too bad at all actually.
On a more serious note, I don't see why people get would up so easily by what names things are called.
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Post by Penddu on Dec 6, 2021 7:15:20 GMT
the original title was First Secretary of the Executive Committee of the National Assembly for Wales That doesn't sound too bad at all actually.
On a more serious note, I don't see why people get would up so easily by what names things are called.
One of the longest running debates in establishing the original Assembly was whether it should be called National Assembly FOR Wales or National Assembly OF Wales. First rate nit-picking to obstruct debate on other issues... |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Mar 12, 2022 14:18:22 GMT
So what is the new Senedd going to be then? 20 constituencies of 4 members or 20 constituencies of 5 members?
"The (Labour) conference unanimously voted for a motion saying the 60-member parliament should grow to between 80 and 100 members."
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Mar 12, 2022 14:43:43 GMT
So what is the new Senedd going to be then? 20 constituencies of 4 members or 20 constituencies of 5 members? "The (Labour) conference unanimously voted for a motion saying the 60-member parliament should grow to between 80 and 100 members." A better motion would have been to abolish the fucking thing |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 12, 2022 15:01:09 GMT
Would it be correct to assume the one thing that isn't going to happen with the Welsh Parliament is that the so-called proportional voting system might be made more proportional than it currently is. It's an odd sort of proportional system where you can win small majorities with nothing like 50% of the vote.
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Post by islington on Mar 12, 2022 16:52:39 GMT
Would it be correct to assume the one thing that isn't going to happen with the Welsh Parliament is that the so-called proportional voting system might be made more proportional than it currently is. It's an odd sort of proportional system where you can win small majorities with nothing like 50% of the vote.Easier said than done. Most real-world 'proportional' systems have this kind of feature.
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Post by clyde1998 on Mar 12, 2022 17:32:34 GMT
So what is the new Senedd going to be then? 20 constituencies of 4 members or 20 constituencies of 5 members? "The (Labour) conference unanimously voted for a motion saying the 60-member parliament should grow to between 80 and 100 members." I think it depends on whether the electoral system will change and whether the link between the Westminster and Senedd constituencies will be maintained. If the link and voting system are maintained, the 32 constituencies could be divided neatly into either: four regions each electing twelve members or eight regions of six members each. This would give a total of 80 members; I'd prefer the former of the two. |
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Post by clyde1998 on Mar 12, 2022 17:35:19 GMT
Would it be correct to assume the one thing that isn't going to happen with the Welsh Parliament is that the so-called proportional voting system might be made more proportional than it currently is. It's an odd sort of proportional system where you can win small majorities with nothing like 50% of the vote.Easier said than done. Most real-world 'proportional' systems have the kind of feature. That's partially due to effective thresholds. If you need to get 5% to win a seat under the system, anyone below 5% in effect gets excluded from the proportionality; most situations where a party has won a majority in a proportional system, it's due to them winning around 50% when excluding the votes of extra-parliamentary parties. |
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