Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 23, 2023 9:44:40 GMT
a quick glance at the medical workforce numbers suggests that ‘junior doctors’ described however as ‘doctors in training’ are somewhat less than half the number, so not ‘most’. GPs and consultants alone equal their numbers, then there are ‘other doctors’ Junior doctors are not just those in training, they are practicing doctors under surgeon level - as I said, at least the first five years out of med school, no post grad degree, etc. My cousin has been working on the front line for approximately 12 years and only qualified as a surgeon shortly before Christmas. I will admit it is a while since I left GP and even longer before I was in hospital medicine but I think the point is that you are technically in training and studying for qualifying exams until you finally get MRCS, FRCP etc and are able to be a consultant or MRCGP and are able to be a GP. The change of terminology to the (technically accurate) doctors in training from junior doctor is probably because of the arguably demeaning nature of the latter I suspect most of the ‘other doctors’ are those who have the qualifications but are not working in substantive GP posts eg locums, salaried GPs (there were also a small number of fully qualified but non consultant docs in hospital in my day, I’m not sure if that is still a thing)
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 24, 2023 19:49:39 GMT
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jan 24, 2023 21:09:05 GMT
What did it for Owen Patterson was the way he propped up by the government not the lobbying offence itself
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Post by greatkingrat on Jan 24, 2023 21:11:38 GMT
What did it for Owen Patterson was the way he propped up by the government not the lobbying offence itself Even if the government had done nothing, the proposed suspension would have triggered the recall rules at least.
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Post by Wisconsin on Jan 24, 2023 21:26:53 GMT
Patterson’s breaches were rather more egregious.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 29, 2023 20:24:29 GMT
Patterson’s breaches were rather more egregious. So therefore, is Stratford a foregone conculsion? (recall petition at best, resignation at worse) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64444265
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 29, 2023 20:35:01 GMT
Patterson’s breaches were rather more egregious. So therefore, is Stratford a foregone conculsion? (recall petition at best, resignation at worse) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64444265No, unless he goes in a fit of pique.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 29, 2023 21:17:30 GMT
No, unless he goes in a fit of pique. Dame your pique Ilyich! He'll rout you in spades.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 29, 2023 21:47:12 GMT
No, unless he goes in a fit of pique. Dame your pique Ilyich! He'll rout you in spades. God Save the Queen
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Post by Wisconsin on Jan 29, 2023 23:42:07 GMT
Patterson’s breaches were rather more egregious. So therefore, is Stratford a foregone conculsion? (recall petition at best, resignation at worse) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64444265How is the Recall of MPs Act going to be triggered here?
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 30, 2023 11:22:26 GMT
What did it for Owen Patterson was the way he propped up by the government not the lobbying offence itself Even if the government had done nothing, the proposed suspension would have triggered the recall rules at least. Though the climate around any resulting byelection would likely have been rather different.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 2, 2023 17:32:54 GMT
As an aside, Vorderman's recent political "re-positioning" is very interesting. (a reminder that she was one of the few celebs willing to bat for the Tories back in 1997) Brexit. That's what started it. Since then, she's slowly morphed into a parody anti-Tory. She was even calling people "cockroaches" today. It's proof that even the most intelligent people can take leave of their senses amidst hysteria.
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Post by bigfatron on Feb 2, 2023 18:46:49 GMT
As an aside, Vorderman's recent political "re-positioning" is very interesting. (a reminder that she was one of the few celebs willing to bat for the Tories back in 1997) Brexit. That's what started it. Since then, she's slowly morphed into a parody anti-Tory. She was even calling people "cockroaches" today. It's proof that even the most intelligent people can take leave of their senses amidst hysteria. I prefer to think of her as repudiating the dark side... ;-)
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Post by aargauer on Feb 2, 2023 19:09:25 GMT
As an aside, Vorderman's recent political "re-positioning" is very interesting. (a reminder that she was one of the few celebs willing to bat for the Tories back in 1997) Brexit. That's what started it. Since then, she's slowly morphed into a parody anti-Tory. She was even calling people "cockroaches" today. It's proof that even the most intelligent people can take leave of their senses amidst hysteria. She has a 3rd class degree. I think it's fair to say while she might be ok at mental arithmetic she's not one of the "most intelligent people".
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Post by jamie on Feb 2, 2023 19:42:24 GMT
As an aside, Vorderman's recent political "re-positioning" is very interesting. (a reminder that she was one of the few celebs willing to bat for the Tories back in 1997) Brexit. That's what started it. Since then, she's slowly morphed into a parody anti-Tory. She was even calling people "cockroaches" today. It's proof that even the most intelligent people can take leave of their senses amidst hysteria. Was she a vocal remainer? Most of what I’ve seen of her getting political is her current ‘Tory corruption’ campaign (which tbf, has a lot of crossover with FBPE) and her infamous 2010 Question Time (where she sounded more Daily Mail than proto-FBPE).
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 2, 2023 22:04:11 GMT
Brexit. That's what started it. Since then, she's slowly morphed into a parody anti-Tory. She was even calling people "cockroaches" today. It's proof that even the most intelligent people can take leave of their senses amidst hysteria. She has a 3rd class degree. I think it's fair to say while she might be ok at mental arithmetic she's not one of the "most intelligent people". And from a dismal polytechnic on the Fens.
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Post by samdwebber on Feb 2, 2023 22:14:12 GMT
ha ha!! I think I recall correctly that the great TV double-act of Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman both graduated from Cambridge with third class degrees?!
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 2, 2023 22:41:30 GMT
ha ha!! I think I recall correctly that the great TV double-act of Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman both graduated from Cambridge with third class degrees?! Whiteley went to Cambridge? He always seemed the sort of 'nice but dim' bloke, who squeaked a couple of O Levels in workwork and divinity!
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 2, 2023 22:43:28 GMT
ha ha!! I think I recall correctly that the great TV double-act of Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman both graduated from Cambridge with third class degrees?! Whiteley went to Cambridge? He always seemed the sort of 'nice but dim' bloke, who squeaked a couple of O Levels in workwork and divinity! Read English at Christ's College.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 2, 2023 22:48:40 GMT
Whiteley went to Cambridge? He always seemed the sort of 'nice but dim' bloke, who squeaked a couple of O Levels in workwork and divinity! Read English at Christ's College. Just as well. Doubt he knew any other language? In a period when the BBC had many pleasant but utterly gormless front men, he seemed prime of that ilk. Now they have sharper, nastier ill-spoken chavs instead, and mainly female.
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