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Post by johng on Aug 3, 2020 9:22:21 GMT
OK. So Twitter has now, seemingly, decided on the perpetrator and his name is being mentioned in comments below almost every journalist's tweet on the matter.
To me, either someone arrested has anonymity (which is my preferred and the logical option) or they don't. The police should shouldn't drip feed information such as age and arrest location to the baying mob.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 3, 2020 9:42:08 GMT
OK. So Twitter has now, seemingly, decided on the perpetrator and his name is being mentioned in comments below almost every journalist's tweet on the matter. To me, either someone arrested has anonymity (which is my preferred and the logical option) or they don't. The police should drip feed information such as age and arrest location to the baying mob. Often I see in news reports the phrase "named locally" (referring to either a victim or a suspect) before the police make an official announcement.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 3, 2020 11:39:50 GMT
OK. So Twitter has now, seemingly, decided on the perpetrator and his name is being mentioned in comments below almost every journalist's tweet on the matter. To me, either someone arrested has anonymity (which is my preferred and the logical option) or they don't. The police should drip feed information such as age and arrest location to the baying mob. I assume you mean they should NOT drip feed information? In which case I agree.
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 3, 2020 12:48:20 GMT
Oh dear. My original post about the "alleged MP" was intended as a light hearted swipe at all the nonsense going back and forth on this subject, when we are not allowed to know who we are talking about and if we did know we wouldn't be allowed to tell or even to hint, so I couldn't get very excited about the whole non-event at this stage. Forfarshire Conservative took the comment very seriously, more seriously than it justified , and made the perfectly valid point that of course we knew it was an MP because of the reaction of the Whip's office, and I totally agree that point, for what it's worth. And it has produced two preposterous posts from carlton43 which didn't seem to be about anything except to attack me personally for ("allegedly") not knowing the meaning of words. They were of course far from being the most preposterous posts of the day from that particular source, who maybe is having a bad day (move not going to plan, old chap?), but I am perplexed by his attempt to restrict the meanings of the word allegation to a very narrow legalistic definition indeed which is not at all borne out by any dictionary I can consult Calm down dear. It may not happen. We are agreed we do not wish to continue under perpetual revolving lockdown. And, yes, I am a stickler for correct use of words, words having actual meanings and precision in language. You cannot have 'alleged MP' and that is quite final. The accused whoever it turns out to be is either an MP or a former MP or was never an MP at all. Whatever the position and whoever it may be, that person is not nor ever was an 'alleged MP' because it is a phrase without meaning in any circumstance. And of course the move isn't going well; they never go well. They are one of the major traumas in any life. This is the end of a 5-year slog to extricate from Italy and then from Scotland and then to put right and radically improve in Sheffield. All trying and difficult with the imposition of the Lockdown with attendant delay and extra costs. But in fact we have just fully agreed plans for 2-bathrooms and a downstairs loo from flooring to taps, handles and finishes; and this morning we signed for a very complex new kitchen with amazing levels of discount, despite having an absurdly expensive sink tap.
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Post by peterl on Aug 6, 2020 19:34:26 GMT
Following a thorough analysis, I can confirm that there are 35 male Tory MPs in their 50s who have held government posts (inc. PPS) but do not at the moment. The figure of 26 already given presumably does not include PPSs. As the media are likely to use the term "minister" loosely, either figure may be correct.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 6, 2020 20:03:30 GMT
Following a thorough analysis, I can confirm that there are 35 male Tory MPs in their 50s who have held government posts (inc. PPS) but do not at the moment. The figure of 26 already given presumably does not include PPSs. As the media are likely to use the term "minister" loosely, either figure may be correct. I’d guess it doesn’t include PPS’; when I was working for Flello and he was PPS to the Justice team he was referred to in the local media as a “parliamentary assistant”, and I would suspect the terminology is pretty universal as reports from Westminster were provided by the Daily Mail’s political reporters.
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Post by peterl on Aug 6, 2020 20:56:05 GMT
By my count then, 28 MPs who meet the criteria if PPSs are not included.
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 6, 2020 21:05:02 GMT
No. Whoever it may be he is not an alleged MP, he is an actual MP who is alleged to have done something. And there are no alleged victims either. There are accusers who may or may not be telling the truth or indeed the whole truth. The accusers are in no way alleged anythings. And they may not be victims if they are not telling the whole truth. Words have meanings. Attend to the real meanings and the import of those meanings. We don't know he's an actual MP until someone is prepared to name him. We only know that various people have said he is a member of parliament and a former minister, so if it could be argued that until it is in the public domain it could all be fantasy, so I would argue alleged MP is actually correct. As everybody from Johnson down are defending the decision not to withdraw the Whip from the individual it’s inarguable that he’s an MP, otherwise they could have saved themselves a heck of a lot of grief by saying “not our problem anymore”.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 22:11:14 GMT
Well, that's enough speculation for this page, I'm sure.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Aug 10, 2020 20:27:25 GMT
Brent Central is long overdue a bit of ramping in this thread.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 10, 2020 20:42:02 GMT
Brent Central is long overdue a bit of ramping in this thread. I don’t like the woman, but it’s really really not.
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Post by peterl on Aug 10, 2020 21:09:25 GMT
Well we can hope...
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 10, 2020 21:10:23 GMT
Brent Central is long overdue a bit of ramping in this thread. Which ward should we put the ramp in?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Aug 12, 2020 20:27:44 GMT
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Post by Sandy on Aug 12, 2020 20:34:03 GMT
Westminster: Moray (because he can't be a Westminster MP when he's leader of the Scottish Conservatives can he?) Yes? Where does it say he can't be?
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 12, 2020 22:05:57 GMT
I thought the arrangement was Ross was leader of the Scottish Conservatives whilst Davidson resumed as Holyrood Group Leader? There may be an argument that says it’s better PR for him to be in Edinburgh so he seeks election at the next regular elections, possibly triggering a Westminster by-election on the same date.
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Post by neilm on Aug 12, 2020 22:58:07 GMT
Although multiple people have been MPs and MSPs simultaneously, including a first minister, so it's not impossible he will hold the seat until 2024. It's not like Sturgeon can have a pop at him over it.
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Post by peterl on Aug 16, 2020 20:44:59 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 16, 2020 20:53:15 GMT
Of course, it will also mean any other MP who fits the basic criteria would be well advised to make their presence noticed..
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 16, 2020 21:07:26 GMT
Of course, it will also mean any other MP who fits the basic criteria would be well advised to make their presence noticed.. I give it one day, maybe two, before a name is arrived at from these criteria (though there are already rumours, of course).
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