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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 4, 2021 22:27:18 GMT
No, as there was a Bull called Apostolicae Curiae issued in 1896 that declared Anglican Orders "absolutely null and utterly void" , this was due to the Elizabethan liturgical reforms. Reordination is required but, since there are many bishops and priests of the Anglican Church who have been consecrated by members of the Church of Utrecht, whose orders are recognised, the church sometimes "conditionally" ordained (see the exam of Graham Leonard, former Bishop of London, who became a Catholic Priest in 1994). All married former C of E bishops cannot serve as bishops in the RC Church due to the tradition of the Eastern and Western Churches that Bishops should always be celibate. This is a very brief précis. Somewhat ironic, seeing as the Bible records that St Peter had a mother-in-law. Not really, as the question is why there is no mention of his wife. In the passage about the mother-in-law, it states that, when healed, she went about her duties lomking after the guests. Those duties would have been those of the wife, so it appears that, sadly, Peter was probably a widower, not uncommon at a time when spouses died often died young. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Sept 4, 2021 22:29:28 GMT
Somewhat ironic, seeing as the Bible records that St Peter had a mother-in-law. Not really, as the question is why there is no mention of his wife. In the passage about the mother-in-law, it states that, when healed, she went about her duties lomking after the guests. Those duties would have been those of the wife, so it appears that, sadly, Peter was probably a widower, not uncommon at a time when spouses died often died young. Though this not directly related to episcopal celibacy. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 5, 2021 6:15:16 GMT
How many more ecclesiastical defections of this type are we likely to see this decade? The Church of England is falling apart at the seams; whilst the Roman Catholic Church is not that prominent in Britain at least its worshipper base is more stable than the CofE's, which has been in freefall the past 3 decades. Probably even longer than that. CofE attendance was pretty poor even before the 1970s. I remember my dad saying that you'd basically bin it off once your kids were all confirmed and that was the late 60s. Wasn't there a large drop in attendance after the Great War? This was a point I was trying to get over in my little pen portrait of my own parish. I would say there the long twentieth century decline reached its nadir in about the mid-70s. The late twentieth century saw quite a revival, and the latest slump is in part the folk who came back in those years starting to die off. There are a lot of the regulars of those years moving from their favourite pew to their favourite bit of the churchyard. Eileen and I were very much part of that movement and expect to be joining them shortly. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 5, 2021 6:20:24 GMT
Wasn't Anna of the Five Towns a Primitive Baptist? Or a Primitive Methodist? Described as a Wesleyan Methodist iirc. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 5, 2021 7:02:50 GMT
Not an Annabaptist ?
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 5, 2021 9:35:45 GMT
It's a suffragan bishop with a nominal see to title a flying bishop rather than an area bishop and the post was specifically created to handle parishes opposed to ordinating women. The Bishop of Richborough was created the following year for the same reason and has also seen one incumbent resign to convert to Roman Catholicism. I suppose they wanted places in the Diocese of Canterbury (east Kent) that were not otherwise in use and neither of these is exactly a bustling metropolis. Surely a flying bishop in Kent should be named after Manston There was a pub at Malling titled the Startled Saint (surrounded by flying jet Meteors). |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Sept 5, 2021 19:44:53 GMT
I've been a licensing service today for a new priest-in-charge at the (Liberal Anglo-Catholic) church I attended from the age of about nine, and still do so every few weeks.
While it was relatively well-attended, both clergy and laity, I can't help but feel that she will be the last person to hold the role and it'll be 'managed decline' for the next few years as the elderly congregation dies off... with the pattern broadly repeated elsewhere.
I hope I'm wrong, and being a pessimistic person, I feel similarly pessimistic about the future of other things I care about, such as real ale, live music, physical digital media, the monarchy and unpasteurised cheese.
But nothing has a God-given (or otherwise) right to exist in perpetuity, and if not enough people care, stuff dies...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 20:04:39 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 5, 2021 20:21:50 GMT
I've been a licensing service today for a new priest-in-charge at the (Liberal Anglo-Catholic) church I attended from the age of about nine, and still do so every few weeks. While it was relatively well-attended, both clergy and laity, I can't help but feel that she will be the last person to hold the role and it'll be 'managed decline' for the next few years as the elderly congregation dies off... with the pattern broadly repeated elsewhere. I hope I'm wrong, and being a pessimistic person, I feel similarly pessimistic about the future of other things I care about, such as real ale, live music, physical digital media, the monarchy and unpasteurised cheese. But nothing has a God-given (or otherwise) right to exist in perpetuity, and if not enough people care, stuff dies... Well that is the problem, you say you care about it, but not enough to actually bother to attend regularly. Same as the people who complain when their local pub closes when they only go visit it a couple of times a year. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Sept 5, 2021 20:39:31 GMT
I've been a licensing service today for a new priest-in-charge at the (Liberal Anglo-Catholic) church I attended from the age of about nine, and still do so every few weeks. While it was relatively well-attended, both clergy and laity, I can't help but feel that she will be the last person to hold the role and it'll be 'managed decline' for the next few years as the elderly congregation dies off... with the pattern broadly repeated elsewhere. I hope I'm wrong, and being a pessimistic person, I feel similarly pessimistic about the future of other things I care about, such as real ale, live music, physical digital media, the monarchy and unpasteurised cheese. But nothing has a God-given (or otherwise) right to exist in perpetuity, and if not enough people care, stuff dies... Well that is the problem, you say you care about it, but not enough to actually bother to attend regularly. Same as the people who complain when their local pub closes when they only go visit it a couple of times a year.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 5, 2021 21:12:18 GMT
Of course combining parishes, their buildings and their congregations can cause further problems. Including that one where some poor minister has to drive around multiple churches for a Communion service (typically in that strange Series 3 diction that mutes most of the Biblical allusions) in each one for a handful of the untiringly faithful. Not exactly a welcoming place for the not exactly faithless, who end up losing Mattins and Evensong, wherein our aspirations extend only so far that we may not fear the power of any adversaries and that the Lord lighten our darkness. I know that that sounds absolutely snake-belly low. But I suspect I would be perfectly happy to turn up at sirbenjamin's house of worship and pray that the most sacred heart of Jesus have mercy upon us (thrice) – even though my preference for the Communion service is an 8am north-ender one, a dignified Anglo-Catholic mass is something I feel much closer to than a modernist liberal morass. Deliver us from awful mid-20th century Laodicaean paraphrases. |
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Post by falmouth on Sept 5, 2021 21:36:17 GMT
I studied with the writer of this tweet. I am surprised to see him emerge as a religion correspondent! If you're of that ilk and it shocks you, wait until you find out who is the rector at St Bartholomew the Great, Smithfield. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 6, 2021 6:28:07 GMT
I studied with the writer of this tweet. I am surprised to see him emerge as a religion correspondent! If you're of that ilk and it shocks you, wait until you find out who is the rector at St Bartholomew the Great, Smithfield. Ah, that one I did know. Still surprises me though! |
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Post by islington on Sept 6, 2021 8:40:33 GMT
If you're of that ilk and it shocks you, wait until you find out who is the rector at St Bartholomew the Great, Smithfield. Ah, that one I did know. Still surprises me though! OK, I'll take the bait, albeit with an uneasy feeling that I'm betraying abysmal ignorance and making a complete fool of myself here. (It wouldn't be the first time.)
But here goes ...
Is Marcus Walker someone I should have heard of?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 6, 2021 10:10:28 GMT
Ah, that one I did know. Still surprises me though! OK, I'll take the bait, albeit with an uneasy feeling that I'm betraying abysmal ignorance and making a complete fool of myself here. (It wouldn't be the first time.)
But here goes ...
Is Marcus Walker someone I should have heard of?
Not particularly. He's been known to write the odd opinion piece in the press. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 6, 2021 10:18:10 GMT
OK, I'll take the bait, albeit with an uneasy feeling that I'm betraying abysmal ignorance and making a complete fool of myself here. (It wouldn't be the first time.) But here goes ...
Is Marcus Walker someone I should have heard of?
Not particularly. He's been known to write the odd opinion piece in the press. He's representative of a small but vocal group within the gin-and-lace tendency whose politics are of the fringe conservative right |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 6, 2021 10:26:24 GMT
I've been a licensing service today for a new priest-in-charge at the (Liberal Anglo-Catholic) church I attended from the age of about nine, and still do so every few weeks. While it was relatively well-attended, both clergy and laity, I can't help but feel that she will be the last person to hold the role and it'll be 'managed decline' for the next few years as the elderly congregation dies off... with the pattern broadly repeated elsewhere. I hope I'm wrong, and being a pessimistic person, I feel similarly pessimistic about the future of other things I care about, such as real ale, live music, physical digital media, the monarchy and unpasteurised cheese. But nothing has a God-given (or otherwise) right to exist in perpetuity, and if not enough people care, stuff dies... I think you are safe enough on real ale and unpasteurised cheese. Plenty of takers for both. Live music too, though the safetyists would love to ban it. I'm with you on physical digital media. I honestly can't imagine being willing to pay for streaming and not having anything physical to show for it. I'm sure that is psychological. It's annoying how already some things aren't issued on DVD. Can't be doing with Mrs. Windsor and crew, and am rather intrigued to see how Charlie and Cowmilla work out. Would love to know if he's had the Covid vaccine. Enthusiastic homoeopathy advocates are normally anti-vaxx. I'm afraid you're probably right about the church. Liberal anglo-Catholics tend to be the nicer element alongside providing a sense of mystery and nuance but shitbags offering certainty and fear are more in fashion |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 6, 2021 10:42:29 GMT
I've been a licensing service today for a new priest-in-charge at the (Liberal Anglo-Catholic) church I attended from the age of about nine, and still do so every few weeks. While it was relatively well-attended, both clergy and laity, I can't help but feel that she will be the last person to hold the role and it'll be 'managed decline' for the next few years as the elderly congregation dies off... with the pattern broadly repeated elsewhere. I hope I'm wrong, and being a pessimistic person, I feel similarly pessimistic about the future of other things I care about, such as real ale, live music, physical digital media, the monarchy and unpasteurised cheese. But nothing has a God-given (or otherwise) right to exist in perpetuity, and if not enough people care, stuff dies... I think you are safe enough on real ale and unpasteurised cheese. Plenty of takers for both. Live music too, though the safetyists would love to ban it. I'm with you on physical digital media. I honestly can't imagine being willing to pay for streaming and not having anything physical to show for it. I'm sure that is psychological. It's annoying how already some things aren't issued on DVD. Can't be doing with Mrs. Windsor and crew, and am rather intrigued to see how Charlie and Cowmilla work out. Would love to know if he's had the Covid vaccine. Enthusiastic homoeopathy advocates are normally anti-vaxx. I'm afraid you're probably right about the church. Liberal anglo-Catholics tend to be the nicer element alongside providing a sense of mystery and nuance but shitbags offering certainty and fear are more in fashion 'Cowmilla' is nasty Mike and she really does not deserve that. When we go down the Tory Bliar, Bat Ears path we go into neverland and unpleasantness. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 6, 2021 10:56:43 GMT
Oh well, at least I called him Charlie rather than Bat Ears this time....
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 6, 2021 12:23:45 GMT
Oh well, at least I called him Charlie rather than Bat Ears this time.... "Brian" is the usual nickname. |
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