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Post by finsobruce on Jul 22, 2021 19:18:06 GMT
Aren't about 50% of the population still *in favour* of the death penalty, even decades after abolition?
I know it was an inconveniently high percentage, so they stopped regularly polling on it. Think how popular and relevant a 'pro-death penalty' SNP would be...
I'm sure I remember the British Attitudes Survey (or some such) reporting a majority against the death penalty for the first time ever two or three years ago. Here we go : www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media-centre/archived-press-releases.aspx |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 22, 2021 19:43:31 GMT
The NatCen British Social Attitudes Report found support didn't drop below 50% until 2015. This is probably a more reliable measure than one-off polls often asked in the week a particularly gruesome murder is in the news. However it's hard to find a great deal of coverage online on the subject.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 23, 2021 8:54:42 GMT
The NatCen British Social Attitudes Report found support didn't drop below 50% until 2015. This is probably a more reliable measure than one-off polls often asked in the week a particularly gruesome murder is in the news. However it's hard to find a great deal of coverage online on the subject. Imagine if it ever came to a referendum! |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 23, 2021 11:07:32 GMT
Genuinely could go either way, I think quite a few of those who tell pollsters they support it haven't really thought of the wider ramifications.
As mentioned above though, some particularly horrible crime during the campaign could put the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons.
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jul 23, 2021 13:03:49 GMT
The NatCen British Social Attitudes Report found support didn't drop below 50% until 2015. This is probably a more reliable measure than one-off polls often asked in the week a particularly gruesome murder is in the news. However it's hard to find a great deal of coverage online on the subject. Imagine if it ever came to a referendum! Indeed. Levels of support might well be comparable to, ooh I don't know, remaining in the EU, or Scottish independence, but the chance of a referendum - or even an actual serious debate - are zero. I'm not pro-death penalty, just noting the unfairness and hypocrisy of the situation. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2021 13:14:50 GMT
Imagine if it ever came to a referendum! Indeed. Levels of support might well be comparable to, ooh I don't know, remaining in the EU, or Scottish independence, but the chance of a referendum - or even an actual serious debate - are zero. I'm not pro-death penalty, just noting the unfairness and hypocrisy of the situation. That could be right, but then, I've never thought that referendums and representative democracy sit together very happily. I can see the justification for them related to constitutional change, but even then, we can see only too easily how they can be very dependent on the quality of the campaign - I mean, it could quite easily be concluded, if I was a conspiracy theorist, that elements within the remain campaign for the EU referendum actually wanted to lose, such was the utter ineptitude of just about everything they said and did. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 23, 2021 13:20:29 GMT
Indeed. Levels of support might well be comparable to, ooh I don't know, remaining in the EU, or Scottish independence, but the chance of a referendum - or even an actual serious debate - are zero. I'm not pro-death penalty, just noting the unfairness and hypocrisy of the situation. That could be right, but then, I've never thought that referendums and representative democracy sit together very happily. I can see the justification for them related to constitutional change, but even then, we can see only too easily how they can be very dependent on the quality of the campaign - I mean, it could quite easily be concluded, if I was a conspiracy theorist, that elements within the remain campaign for the EU referendum actually wanted to lose, such was the utter ineptitude of just about everything they said and did. The genie was let out of the bottle in 1975 |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2021 13:27:38 GMT
That could be right, but then, I've never thought that referendums and representative democracy sit together very happily. I can see the justification for them related to constitutional change, but even then, we can see only too easily how they can be very dependent on the quality of the campaign - I mean, it could quite easily be concluded, if I was a conspiracy theorist, that elements within the remain campaign for the EU referendum actually wanted to lose, such was the utter ineptitude of just about everything they said and did. The genie was let out of the bottle in 1975 Thats the usual excuse, but I think you catch it and put the bloody thing back, and cork it tight, and permanently! |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jul 23, 2021 13:33:12 GMT
The genie was let out of the bottle in 1975 Thats the usual excuse, but I think you catch it and put the bloody thing back, and cork it tight, and permanently! Too late! |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 23, 2021 17:08:57 GMT
The genie was let out of the bottle in 1975 That's the usual excuse, but I think you catch it and put the bloody thing back, and cork it tight, and permanently! You have to trick the genie to volunteer to go back in the bottle. I say, Mr Referendum, I don't think you'd ever vote to ban referendums. Go on, I dare you. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 23, 2021 18:43:40 GMT
That's the usual excuse, but I think you catch it and put the bloody thing back, and cork it tight, and permanently! You have to trick the genie to volunteer to go back in the bottle. I say, Mr Referendum, I don't think you'd ever vote to ban referendums. Go on, I dare you. Me? Certainly would! |
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Post by neilm on Aug 5, 2021 17:03:42 GMT
I favour the death penalty in certain circumstances, and I also favour it being carried out in public in a violent fashion.
I am serious about this but realise it is very much a minority view.
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 5, 2021 17:26:56 GMT
I favour the death penalty in certain circumstances, and I also favour it being carried out in public in a violent fashion. I am serious about this but realise it is very much a minority view. I wouldn't agree but it's a very tempting way of dealing with Independent Sage |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 8, 2021 10:46:57 GMT
I favour the death penalty in certain circumstances, and I also favour it being carried out in public in a violent fashion. I am serious about this but realise it is very much a minority view. I wouldn't agree but it's a very tempting way of dealing with Independent Sage There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 8, 2021 10:52:59 GMT
I wouldn't agree but it's a very tempting way of dealing with Independent Sage There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. Russia/Soviet Union/Russia has a history of abolishing the death penalty and then re-instating it.
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 8, 2021 11:31:52 GMT
I wouldn't agree but it's a very tempting way of dealing with Independent Sage There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. It was to have been purified rope made of human hair shorn from the heads of socialist virgins. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Aug 8, 2021 11:45:58 GMT
I wouldn't agree but it's a very tempting way of dealing with Independent Sage There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. It would be badly organised and have the opposite effect to the one intended- so I guess the person being hanged would live a long life. |
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 8, 2021 11:49:16 GMT
I wouldn't agree but it's a very tempting way of dealing with Independent Sage There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. Sounds like the French Communist Party and their support for the "workers' bomb" |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 8, 2021 12:36:49 GMT
There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. It would be badly organised and have the opposite effect to the one intended- so I guess the person being hanged would live a long life. The JohnLee system. |
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Post by DrW on Aug 8, 2021 14:34:02 GMT
There was a Trot group that had a "Socialist death penalty" on its platform, which apparently was different to a "capitalist death penalty", to which they were opposed. Presumably victims were to be hanged on some sort of People's Gallows. Russia/Soviet Union/Russia has a history of abolishing the death penalty and then re-instating it.
Shortly after the October Revolution and the universal abolition of the death penalty by the Bolsheviks, a revolutionary tribunal sentenced an ex-tsarist naval officer to be shot by firing squad. When challenged the tribunal explained that it had not sentenced the officer to death, it had sentenced him to be shot, and so was in accordance with revolutionary law. |
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