Councillors administratively suspended from their party

[zoe]

Aug 31, 2023 12:27:15 GMT lackeroftalent said:

Philip Glanville, directly elected mayor of Hackney, suspended by Labour Party.

Follows pictures coming to light of him with now convicted Labour councillor Tom Dewey from after having been informed that Tom Dewey had been arrested for possessing indecent images of children.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mayor-hackney-philip-glanville-thomas-dewey-labour-photo-councillor-b1103953.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1693484165-2

I presume he remains the Mayor though, will the cabinet refuse to work with him or resign?

[John Chanin]

Aug 31, 2023 13:01:18 GMT lackeroftalent said:

Leicester East CLP

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66671986

No great surprise, but it won't solve Labour's problems in the least white constituency in the country. 

[Defenestrated Fipplebox]

Aug 31, 2023 13:59:21 GMT zoe said:

Aug 31, 2023 12:27:15 GMT lackeroftalent said:

Philip Glanville, directly elected mayor of Hackney, suspended by Labour Party.

Follows pictures coming to light of him with now convicted Labour councillor Tom Dewey from after having been informed that Tom Dewey had been arrested for possessing indecent images of children.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mayor-hackney-philip-glanville-thomas-dewey-labour-photo-councillor-b1103953.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1693484165-2

I presume he remains the Mayor though, will the cabinet refuse to work with him or resign?

They shouldn't as the suspension is just posturing by the Labour Party centrally.

[YL]

Seven Sheffield councillors suspended by Labour, including former leader Terry Fox.

Tony Damms (Southey)
Terry Fox (Manor Castle)
Denise Fox (Birley)
Julie Grocutt (Stocksbridge & Upper Don)
Dianne Hurst (Richmond)
Bryan Lodge (Birley)
Garry Weatherall (Shiregreen & Brightside)

[Khunanup]

Sept 11, 2023 14:37:12 GMT YL said:

Seven Sheffield councillors suspended by Labour, including former leader Terry Fox.

Tony Damms (Southey)
Terry Fox (Manor Castle)
Denise Fox (Birley)
Julie Grocutt (Stocksbridge & Upper Don)
Dianne Hurst (Richmond)
Bryan Lodge (Birley)
Garry Weatherall (Shiregreen & Brightside)

Labour are really going to regret this endless bloodletting when they get into government, especially when they become unpopular (which I expect to be pretty quickly, bearing in mind the technocratic tendencies of Starmer and his team). It's alienating people who will hold their nose, or give them the benefit of a doubt, and vote for them while this shower is in government, but once they're in power and deliver not a great deal (they're not going to be radical are they) then those people will quickly withdraw the support.

[CatholicLeft]

Sept 11, 2023 14:51:22 GMT Khunanup said:

Sept 11, 2023 14:37:12 GMT YL said:

Seven Sheffield councillors suspended by Labour, including former leader Terry Fox.

Tony Damms (Southey)
Terry Fox (Manor Castle)
Denise Fox (Birley)
Julie Grocutt (Stocksbridge & Upper Don)
Dianne Hurst (Richmond)
Bryan Lodge (Birley)
Garry Weatherall (Shiregreen & Brightside)

Labour are really going to regret this endless bloodletting when they get into government, especially when they become unpopular (which I expect to be pretty quickly, bearing in mind the technocratic tendencies of Starmer and his team). It's alienating people who will hold their nose, or give them the benefit of a doubt, and vote for them while this shower is in government, but once they're in power and deliver not a great deal (they're not going to be radical are they) then those people will quickly withdraw the support.

When you read on, it is as the thread title suggests, an administrative suspension. They aren't suspended from the Labour Party, just the group, due to breaking the whip on a crucial vote.
I suspect they will be back in before the General Election (or the locals) .

[batman]

I don't know what issue has brought this about but I would tend not to generalise in the way the ever-partisan khunanup has. Party discipline has been very lax in some respects in the pre-Starmer years and a lot of disciplinary action was clearly necessary. Have they gone further than they should here? Maybe, but some of the bloodletting as you put it has been completely necessary, even actually desirable in some cases. We really need to deal in specifics not generalities. Hell, it's not that many years since Piers Corbyn was a member, and even less since the loathsome David Miller was.

[Merseymike]

Sept 11, 2023 15:20:05 GMT batman said:

I don't know what issue has brought this about but I would tend not to generalise in the way the ever-partisan khunanup has. Party discipline has been very lax in some respects in the pre-Starmer years and a lot of disciplinary action was clearly necessary. Have they gone further than they should here? Maybe, but some of the bloodletting as you put it has been completely necessary, even actually desirable in some cases. We really need to deal in specifics not generalities. Hell, it's not that many years since Piers Corbyn was a member, and even less since the loathsome David Miller was.

Disciplinary action in my view, is not necessary. I don't know if is about Sheffield but Starmer's approach - its not helping.

[mattbewilson]

What the actual fuck

[mattbewilson]

Sept 11, 2023 15:17:28 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Sept 11, 2023 14:51:22 GMT Khunanup said:

Labour are really going to regret this endless bloodletting when they get into government, especially when they become unpopular (which I expect to be pretty quickly, bearing in mind the technocratic tendencies of Starmer and his team). It's alienating people who will hold their nose, or give them the benefit of a doubt, and vote for them while this shower is in government, but once they're in power and deliver not a great deal (they're not going to be radical are they) then those people will quickly withdraw the support.

When you read on, it is as the thread title suggests, an administrative suspension. They aren't suspended from the Labour Party, just the group, due to breaking the whip on a crucial vote.
I suspect they will be back in before the General Election (or the locals) .

I suspect some of these won't be standing again

[Khunanup]

Sept 11, 2023 15:17:28 GMT CatholicLeft said:

Sept 11, 2023 14:51:22 GMT Khunanup said:

Labour are really going to regret this endless bloodletting when they get into government, especially when they become unpopular (which I expect to be pretty quickly, bearing in mind the technocratic tendencies of Starmer and his team). It's alienating people who will hold their nose, or give them the benefit of a doubt, and vote for them while this shower is in government, but once they're in power and deliver not a great deal (they're not going to be radical are they) then those people will quickly withdraw the support.

When you read on, it is as the thread title suggests, an administrative suspension. They aren't suspended from the Labour Party, just the group, due to breaking the whip on a crucial vote.
I suspect they will be back in before the General Election (or the locals) .

But even this kind of heavy-handedness just pisses people off, especially where there're viable alternative outlets.

But, hey, if Labour Party members are happy with their systems, knock yourselves out.

[Khunanup]

Sept 11, 2023 15:20:05 GMT batman said:

I don't know what issue has brought this about but I would tend not to generalise in the way the ever-partisan khunanup has. Party discipline has been very lax in some respects in the pre-Starmer years and a lot of disciplinary action was clearly necessary. Have they gone further than they should here? Maybe, but some of the bloodletting as you put it has been completely necessary, even actually desirable in some cases. We really need to deal in specifics not generalities. Hell, it's not that many years since Piers Corbyn was a member, and even less since the loathsome David Miller was.

Come now, you don't need to be partisan (and of course I am, I'm a core life long Liberal who believe that the underlying ideologies of the Conservative and Labour parties are inherently damaging for the people of this country, however well meaning the people implementing them might be) to see what's in front of your own face, especially having seen it up close locally and repeated endlessly across the country (as has been reported on here).

[maxque]

Again, this is not about Starmer, but about the control freak that he named Secretary General of the party.

[tonyhill]

Has the Secretary General gone rogue then?

[YL]

The suspended councillors have issued a statement: see the following tweet and the two follow-ups:

[YL]

So:
- it's about the Local Plan, and about a specific controversial thing in it;
- it's the local leadership, not the national party, which instigated the suspension;
- Bryan Lodge is trying to use the Lowcock report to justify something other than resigning.

[iain]

Sept 12, 2023 6:55:44 GMT YL said:

So:
- it's about the Local Plan, and about a specific controversial thing in it;
- it's the local leadership, not the national party, which instigated the suspension;
- Bryan Lodge is trying to use the Lowcock report to justify something other than resigning.

A suspension for breaking the whip on a single issue seems way over the top (albeit something that fits with my opinions / prejudices towards Labour’s tendency towards control freakery and inability to tolerate dissent), but given the identities of those involved I suspect they may be a little more at play.

[YL]

Sept 12, 2023 7:42:44 GMT iain said:

Sept 12, 2023 6:55:44 GMT YL said:

So:
- it's about the Local Plan, and about a specific controversial thing in it;
- it's the local leadership, not the national party, which instigated the suspension;
- Bryan Lodge is trying to use the Lowcock report to justify something other than resigning.

A suspension for breaking the whip on a single issue seems way over the top (albeit something that fits with my opinions / prejudices towards Labour’s tendency towards control freakery and inability to tolerate dissent), but given the identities of those involved I suspect they may be a little more at play.

Indeed, weren’t they all on the list of potential rebels in May after the election and Terry Fox’s replacement by Tom Hunt?

I would normally agree that breaking the whip on one vote shouldn’t be grounds for a suspension, but I’m not so sure when it’s about something as important to a council as the Local Plan. It’s not unreasonable for some things to be effectively matters of confidence.

[finsobruce]

Sept 12, 2023 7:49:43 GMT YL said:

Sept 12, 2023 7:42:44 GMT iain said:

A suspension for breaking the whip on a single issue seems way over the top (albeit something that fits with my opinions / prejudices towards Labour’s tendency towards control freakery and inability to tolerate dissent), but given the identities of those involved I suspect they may be a little more at play.

Indeed, weren’t they all on the list of potential rebels in May after the election and Terry Fox’s replacement by Tom Hunt?

I would normally agree that breaking the whip on one vote shouldn’t be grounds for a suspension, but I’m not so sure when it’s about something as important to a council as the Local Plan. It’s not unreasonable for some things to be effectively matters of confidence.

It's 'touch me if you dare' time again. Given that their own 'local plan' involved the council becoming known nationwide mainly for chopping down trees unnecessarily, their political skills don't seem to be of the highest order.

[The Bishop]

Yes, that seemed likely from the outset given the identities of some rebels.

One thing it does make clear is that on this occasion, it isn't about the factionalism that party HQ has sometimes been known to indulge in recently.