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Post by syorkssocialist on Apr 28, 2021 14:51:21 GMT
Seen some Labour posters while out today in Doncaster. Have you seen a lot less in recent years in your area? Do you think now that Brexit is done and Corbyn has been replaced that more of the traditional old Labour voters with socialist values will come back to the party? Places like Conisbrough used have a Labour share in excess of 90% - they'd probably be lucky to get a majority of votes in places like that now... I'm very young and have only really been politically aware since the 2015 general election. There were more posters and boards in 2017 and far less in 2019. As for Conisbrough it is still one of the safest Labour wards in Doncaster and I fully expect to see three Labour councillors re-elected there next week. Also yes my experience suggests a decent percentage of voters who drifted away in 2019 are planning on voting Labour again now, but the damage of the Corbyn years is still having an effect. |
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Post by Clark on Apr 28, 2021 14:56:22 GMT
Yeah perhaps the miners and steel workers of the past never passed on those values to their generations below them. I guess it's not the 'Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire' any more.
I often found it strange that 'old Labour left wing' areas are generally now quite right wing when it comes to issues like immigration. Perhaps they always have been.
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Post by owainsutton on Apr 28, 2021 15:17:31 GMT
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Post by spqr on Apr 28, 2021 15:46:49 GMT
Have you seen a lot less in recent years in your area? Do you think now that Brexit is done and Corbyn has been replaced that more of the traditional old Labour voters with socialist values will come back to the party? Places like Conisbrough used have a Labour share in excess of 90% - they'd probably be lucky to get a majority of votes in places like that now... Do you honestly think that voters who abandoned Labour because of either brexit or dislike of Corbyn have 'socialist values'? Labour tribal affiliation at one time, but the loss of that caused them to cease voting for a party their right-wing views never really chimed with other than in terms of collective sentiment and tribal habit You go too far here, as you so often do. It's unlikely that many ex-Labour voters in these parts are attached to "socialist values", true (insofar as that phrase has any concrete meaning these days), but it doesn't follow that they should be considered "right wing" either. The attitudes of such people to economics and related matters (most notably inequality) don't really cohere with contemporary middle-class Tory values at all - something which you've acknowledged in the past, when commenting on the problems the Conservative Party has in balancing Thatcherite market liberalism with Johnsonian Red-Wall populism. Their much-vaunted "social conservatism", meanwhile, is certainly more real but is often exaggerated. Hostility to immigration aside, there isn't much evidence that they dissent from liberal views on a lot of 'social' topics - they're not especially racist by western European standards (contrary to metropolitan wisdom); they've mostly accepted initiatives such as gay marriage and the smoking ban; their environmentalism might be lukewarm at times but it isn't non-existent either. Culturally they may exhibit a communitarian ethic that places them at odds with multiculturalism and globalisation, and many are middle-aged/old so usually appear befuddled by the generation gap - but that creates opportunities as well as problems for the left, if they are willing to take advantage of them. As for their purported tribalism, that's been on the wane for a long, long time. It seems to me that these voters' attitude to Labour is more likely to be instrumental - they want the party to do things on their behalf rather than represent their identity in the political sphere, and if they don't manage it then they'll look elsewhere. If you think back to studies like Goldthorpe and Lockwood's Affluent Worker profiles, much of the previous waves of dissatisfaction and dissent among sections of Labour's support were caused by the feeling that the party wasn't living up to what it promised. I think that this explains its track record of failure throughout the 2010s: too often it came across as not having any idea about what it wanted to be and do, and the raging factionalism within its ranks about how to tackle this is now so obvious that it badly affects public perception, for which both the left and the right wings bear responsibility (although it should be noted that the one time when it was able to project a positive vision - at the 2017 General Election - it did well enough to acquire the votes of many who would go on to vote BxP/Tory two years later). I don't see how those who have been put off by all of this can be construed as "right wing", or that they share nothing in common with the Labour Party. |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 28, 2021 17:37:14 GMT
I agree with some of that - perhaps it's simply that I class people with those socially conservative outlooks as right wing. I'm basically cynical. I think a lot of them like getting free stuff as long as they don't have to pay for it and it doesn't go to those they regard as "the other"
If I'm honest I want political realignment so we can have a left wing urban party that aims itself at those voters, plus the thing I'm not allowed to mention though I don't perceive any political progress possible without it!
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Post by DrW on Apr 29, 2021 10:09:25 GMT
Growing up in a SNP/Conservative marginal in the 90s and early 2000s a significant proportion of houses had posters in their windows at election time and it was broadly as you might expect - the Victorian villas with Conservative posters, the more modern detached houses/converted bungalows either SNP or Tory with a few Labour, the less prosperous areas SNP or Labour. But even in an area with a relatively established population the fall in window posters at election time during the 2000s was noticeable.
Now in the south side of Edinburgh, there are a fair few SNP/Green posters in the young and student-y tenements of Marchmont - very often in the same windows! - but they would only be a small proportion of the households in the area. The occasional Labour poster, no Conservative ones, and (related to the last point no doubt) almost no posters at all in the more firmly middle class areas.
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 29, 2021 14:36:31 GMT
On the original question, the place I've seen the most election posters/stakeboards has been Chelmsley Wood (though it's several years since I've been there during the short campaign), with areas of south Leamington being a clear second. Actually I'm struggling to think of anywhere that isn't a Green Party target ward where I've seen a large number of election posters.
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Post by hullenedge on May 2, 2021 9:25:07 GMT
Bowling & Barkerend, Bradford:-
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 2, 2021 10:55:32 GMT
Bowling & Barkerend, Bradford:- Come on, it's obvious. Yorkshire Party! |
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Post by iang on May 2, 2021 10:57:38 GMT
Saw one Lib Dem garden stake board in Himbleton yesterday on the way back from cricket
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Post by Clark on May 2, 2021 17:55:42 GMT
Was out in Aberdeenshire West and Kincardine today - saw 12 Conservative and 10 SNP - all the Tory signs were in farmers fields
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Post by afleitch on May 2, 2021 19:16:24 GMT
Posted this elsewhere:
There are SNP signs plastered in windows in Govanhill to a surprising extent and in the window of Asian/Romani run businesses too. There are few Labour signs except from in the richer parts of the seat in Pollokshields in the large sandstone villas. Both areas are of course heavily Muslim with the differentiation being age and class.
Most posters where I am (the part that bleeds into Glasgow Cathcart) tend to be posters for the Greens who I think have made them available. Our home has an SNP and Green poster up. Still large number of BLM signs scattered in tenement windows too.
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Post by MacShimidh on May 2, 2021 19:31:11 GMT
Posted this elsewhere: There are SNP signs plastered in windows in Govanhill to a surprising extent and in the window of Asian/Romani run businesses too. There are few Labour signs except from in the richer parts of the seat in Pollokshields in the large sandstone villas. Both areas are of course heavily Muslim with the differentiation being age and class. Most posters where I am (the part that bleeds into Glasgow Cathcart) tend to be posters for the Greens who I think have made them available. Our home has an SNP and Green poster up. Still large number of BLM signs scattered in tenement windows too. That sounds about right for those areas. Have you ventured into Glasgow Kelvin at all? |
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Post by afleitch on May 2, 2021 19:45:49 GMT
Posted this elsewhere: There are SNP signs plastered in windows in Govanhill to a surprising extent and in the window of Asian/Romani run businesses too. There are few Labour signs except from in the richer parts of the seat in Pollokshields in the large sandstone villas. Both areas are of course heavily Muslim with the differentiation being age and class. Most posters where I am (the part that bleeds into Glasgow Cathcart) tend to be posters for the Greens who I think have made them available. Our home has an SNP and Green poster up. Still large number of BLM signs scattered in tenement windows too. That sounds about right for those areas. Have you ventured into Glasgow Kelvin at all? Not yet. Hoping to tomorrow. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 2, 2021 20:10:04 GMT
In Stroud and villages up the Chalford and Painswick valleys the Greens are winning the stakeboard war hands down. Labour have a few up in Stroud town (with named candidates, interestingly), no-one else troubling the scorer.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 3, 2022 20:38:12 GMT
Labour deploying some Lib Dem type diamond posters here it looks like:
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