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Post by froome on Feb 9, 2022 11:23:57 GMT
Some observations upon that line of reasoning. Is this very ancient or associated with such matters as 'The Enclosures'? Taken in from what? Surely all agricultural land was 'taken in' to cultivation from woodland, scrub or moor at some time, so why the special term for these particular plots? My understanding is that the term dates from the seventeenth/ eighteenth centuries primarily though probably continuing into the nineteenth- so a function of the rapid population increase of those years which forced people to start cultivating land not previously considered worth it. In other words the same pressures that induced enclosure of open fields, but more a feature of the highland zone whereas enclosure of open fields was primarily a lowland phenomenon, but obviously a lot of overlap between the two. Of course a lot of land had been taken in from the wild from the neolithic revolution onwards but that process had I think generally slowed in the late medieval years (post Black Death?) Our posts crossed, and I think your description is pretty accurate. The early population expansion coming from industrialisation along the Pennine valleys pushed many to take in land to cultivate that would not have ever been considered worth cultivating previously. Intake may have referred specifically to land that had been moorland. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 9, 2022 12:00:10 GMT
On the Isle of Man you have "Intacks".
In manorial rolls from the start of the C16th half the land mass was held on tenancies (terminable without notice by the farmer but not terminable by the Lord) by individual farmers. This land was notionally divided into named Treens which in turn was divided into "Quarterlands" (theoretically four per Treen, actually two to six or so) each of which was a substantial farm usually held by a single family.
The rest of the land mass was "waste" i.e. what the Manx call "the mountain" and in England would be called moorland. These days it is mostly grazed by sheep and you can walk freely over it. There were, and usually are, no habitations on it Intacks were bits of the waste enclosed and used for crofting, usually with a small cottage built (most now abandoned). My ancestors scratched a living from an intack in Kirk Braddan. It's now part of quite a prosperous farm.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 9, 2022 12:04:26 GMT
In parts of N England you also get "Unthank" which is IIRC similar in etymology.
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 9, 2022 12:11:57 GMT
Some observations upon that line of reasoning. Is this very ancient or associated with such matters as 'The Enclosures'? Taken in from what? Surely all agricultural land was 'taken in' to cultivation from woodland, scrub or moor at some time, so why the special term for these particular plots? Intake is a very local term, found AFAIK just in your neck of the woods, possibly just the Pennine edges of West Riding (which obviously included parts of what is now South Yorkshire). I suspect it will have had a very specific meaning which may now be lost, but could have been based on its size, i.e. a small area of land taken in from the open land and presumably then enclosed for agricultural use (in Anglo Saxon times all open land was known as the feld which has given us the word field, which originally was a large tract of open land, and was not an agricultural term until much later). The Yorkshire and Lancashire Pennines are particularly rich in these types of local terms, many of which will have had meanings that can now only be surmised. We have a similar local term here in N.E. Somerset which is 'innox', which is found quite frequently here around Bath and south to Frome and the Wiltshire borders, but AFAIK not anywhere else. I haven't found out its exact meaning but may well have referred to something akin to an intake (but I don't know what the 'nox' part derives from). I had wondered about the term Innox - the first place I saw it was in Trowbridge (where they're redeveloping "Innox Mills" near the town centre) but as you say there's one in Frome too. Looking into it, apparently it comes from "enox" which is a traditional word in the local dialect for a field near a farmstead - so definitely a similar origin. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2022 13:06:39 GMT
I had come across intakes as a concept as a general student of historical geography, and I think the concept and indeed the word is more widespread than some of you seem to think, though I was also aware as some of you have ably demonstrated, the word has many local dialect variants.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2022 13:59:46 GMT
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Post by carolus on Feb 9, 2022 20:39:26 GMT
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Post by syorkssocialist on Feb 10, 2022 18:43:00 GMT
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Post by carolus on Feb 10, 2022 19:15:30 GMT
Lambeth, Clapham Town. Christopher Wellbelove (Labour) has ceased to be a councillor. No byelection.
Melton, Melton Sysonby. Tejpal Bains (Conservative) has ceased to be a councillor.
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Post by syorkssocialist on Feb 11, 2022 15:22:02 GMT
Cllr Daniel Barwell (Lab, Wheatley Hills & Intake, Doncaster) has now resigned as a councillor so there will indeed be a by-election.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 17:20:24 GMT
Daryl Turner, Conservative resigns as a Dorset Councillor for Lyme Regis and Charmouth. I think the rifts within the Dorset Conservatives are very real, but the whole 'moving to Wales' thing doesn't exactly help his case.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 11, 2022 18:33:30 GMT
Full list of forthcoming byelections:
17 February
Allerdale: Stainburn and Clifton. Cause: Disqualification of Janet King (Ind) on 30 December 2021.
Bristol: Southmead. Cause: Resignation of Helen Godwin (Lab) on 1 January 2022.
Mid Suffolk: Thurston. Cause: Resignation of Wendy Turner (GP) on 20 December 2021.
Newark and Sherwood: Collingham. Cause: Death of Maureen Dobson (Ind) on 30 November 2021.
North East Lincolnshire: Park. Cause: Death of Debbie Woodward (C) on 2 December 2021.
Nottinghamshire: Collingham. Cause: Death of Maureen Dobson (Ind) on 30 November 2021.
North Northamptonshire: Oundle. Cause: Resignation of Annabel de Capell Brooke (C) on 5 January 2022.
Oadby and Wigston: Wigston Meadowcourt. Cause: Death of Robert Eaton (L Dem) on 28 December 2021.
West Devon: Tavistock North. Cause: Resignation of Steve Hipsey (Ind) on 16 November 2021.
23 February
Spelthorne: Stanwell North. Cause: Resignation of Jim McIlroy (C) on 31 December 2021.
24 February
Castle Point: St Peter's. Cause: Death of Bill Dick (C) on 4 December 2021.
Durham: Ferryhill. Cause: Death of Brian Avery (Ind) on 5 November 2021.
Lincolnshire: Colsterworth Rural. Cause: Death of Bob Adams (C) on 15 November 2021.
Maldon: Wickham Bishops and Woodham. Cause: Resignation of Karl Jarvis (non-aligned elected as C) on 31 December 2021.
South Kesteven: Aveland. Cause: Resignation of Peter Moseley (Ind elected as C) on 11 January 2022.
South Kesteven: Isaac Newton. Cause: Death of Bob Adams (C) on 15 November 2021.
3 March
East Lindsey: Halton Holegate. Cause: Death of Jim Swanson (NELIG) on 30 November 2021.
Essex: Rayleigh North. Cause: Death of Craig Cannell (L Dem) on 14 November 2021.
New Forest: Hythe West and Langdown. Cause: Resignation of Rebecca Clark (L Dem) on 24 November 2021.
Rochford: Downhall and Rawreth. Cause: Death of Craig Cannell (L Dem) on 14 November 2021.
Sevenoaks: Brasted, Chevening and Sundridge. Cause: Resignation of Anna Firth (C) on 7 January 2022.
South Somerset: Neroche. Cause: Resignation of Linda Vijeh (C) on 1 January 2022.
Southend-on-Sea: Southchurch. Cause: Resignation of Alex Bright (C) on 16 January 2022.
Sunderland: Redhill. Cause: Resignation of Keith Jenkins (Ind elected as UKIP) on 10 January 2022.
10 March
Herefordshire: Bromyard West. Cause: Resignation of Alan Seldon (Independents for Herefordshire) on 4 January 2022.
Hertfordshire: Hitchin South. Cause: Death of Paul Clark (L Dem) on 7 December 2021.
North Hertfordshire: Hitchin Highbury. Cause: Death of Paul Clark (L Dem) on 7 December 2021.
Rutland: Ryhall and Casterton. Cause: Resignation of Richard Coleman (Ind elected as C) on 5 November 2021.
Unspecified
Barrow-in-Furness: Dalton South. Cause: Resignation of Shaun Blezard (Lab) on 3 February 2022.
Carlisle: Longtown and the Border. Cause: Death of Val Tarbitt (C) on 28 January 2022.
Derbyshire Dales: Carsington Water. Cause: Death of Lewis Rose (C) on 6 January 2022.
Dorset: Lyme and Charmouth. Cause: Impending resignation of Daryl Turner (C).
Dudley: Halesowen South. Cause: Death of David Vickers (C) on 7 February 2022.
Durham: West Auckland. Cause: Death of Mark Idwal-Roberts (C) on c. 7 January 2022.
East Riding of Yorkshire: South Hunsley. Cause: Death of Vanessa Walker (C) on 15 January 2022.
Harrow: Kenton West. Cause: Death of Vina Mithani (C) on 7 October 2021.
Hartlepool: Rural West. Cause: Death of Brenda Loynes (C) on 8 February 2022.
High Peak: Cote Heath. Cause: Death of Keith Savage (Lab) on 4 December 2021.
Horsham: Denne. Cause: Resignation of Francis Haigh (L Dem) on 17 January 2022.
Horsham: Storrington and Washington. Cause: Resignation of Jim Sanson (C) on 4 February 2022.
Ipswich: St John's. Cause: Resignation of Shelly Darwin (Lab) on 20 January 2022.
Knowsley: Page Moss. Cause: Resignation of Andy Moorhead (Lab) on 20 October 2021.
Liverpool: Everton. Cause: Resignation of Ian Byrne (Lab) on 1 February 2022.
Liverpool: Warbreck. Cause: Resignation of Cheryl Didsbury (Lab) on 1 February 2022.
Melton: Melton Sysonby. Cause: Resignation of Tejpal Bains (C) on 10 February 2022.
Merthyr Tydfil: Vaynor. Cause: Death of Howard Barrett (Ind) on 31 October 2021.
North Hertfordshire: Letchworth East. Cause: Resignation of Sue Ngwala (Lab) on 1 October 2021.
Northumberland: Seghill with Seaton Delaval. Cause: Death of Paul Scott (C) on c. 5 January 2022.
Pendle: Barrowford and Pendleside. Cause: Death of Linda Crossley (C) on 8 February 2022.
Renfrewshire: Paisley Southeast. Cause: Disqualification of Paul Mack (Ind) following Standards Commission for Scotland hearing, on 10 May 2021.
Ryedale: Sherburn. Cause: Resignation of John Raper (Ind) on c. 1 February 2022.
Scarborough: Mayfield. Cause: Resignation of David Chance (C) on 7 February 2022.
Sevenoaks: Fawkham and West Kingsdown. Cause: Death of Faye Parkin (C) on 27 January 2022.
South Tyneside: Harton. Cause: Death of Rob Dix (Lab) on 8 February 2022.
Staffordshire Moorlands: Cheadle South East. Cause: Death of Jim Alcock (Ind) on 7 January 2022.
Telford and Wrekin: Brookside. Cause: Death of Jackie Loveridge (Lab) on 20 January 2022.
Test Valley: North Baddesley. Cause: Impending resignation of Simon Cross (L Dem).
Tewkesbury: Brockworth East. Cause: Resignation of Louise Gerrard (Ind) on 9 November 2021.
Thanet: Nethercourt. Cause: Disqualification of Liz Green (Lab) on 9 February 2022.
Torfaen: Blaenavon. Cause: Resignation of Alan Jones (Lab) on 21 April 2021.
Walsall: Willenhall South. Cause: Resignation of Sean Coughlan (Lab) on 4 December 2021.
Welwyn Hatfield: Welwyn East. Cause: Death of Steven Markiewicz (C) on 21 October 2021.
West Lancashire: Burscough East. Cause: Resignation of David Evans (Lab) on 31 January 2022.
Wigan: Leigh East. Cause: Death of Anita Thorpe (Lab) on 1 February 2022.
Wolverhampton: East Park. Cause: Resignation of Harman Banger (Ind elected as Lab) on 21 December 2021.
Not before March 2022
City of London: Cordwainer Alderman. Cause: Death of Sir Roger Gifford (non-party) on 25 May 2021.
No byelection
Barking and Dagenham: Alibon. Cause: Resignation of Sanchia Alasia (Lab) on 10 December 2021.
Bexley: Crook Log. Cause: Disqualification of Linda Bailey (C) on 10 January 2022.
Birmingham: Stockland Green. Cause: Death of Penny Holbrook (Lab) on 22 November 2021.
Bromley: Shortlands. Cause: Death of Mary Cooke (C) on 7 January 2022.
Camden: Camden Town with Primrose Hill. Cause: Resignation of Lazzaro Pietragnoli (Lab) on 22 November 2021.
Carlisle: Botcherby and Harraby North. Cause: Resignation of Jack Paton (Ind) on 2 February 2022.
Carmarthenshire: St Ishmael. Cause: Death of Mair Stephens (Ind) on 9 January 2022.
City of London: Aldersgate. Cause: Resignation of Joyce Nash (non-party) on 5 May 2021.
City of London: Aldgate. Cause: Resignation of Sylvia Moys (non-party) on c. 7 April 2021.
City of London: Aldgate: Cause: Resignation of Dhruv Patel (non-party) on 20 December 2021.
City of London: Farringdon Within. Cause: Resignation of Karina Dostalova (non-party) on 12 November 2021.
Cumbria: Longtown. Cause: Death of Val Tarbitt (C) on 28 January 2022.
Doncaster: Wheatley Hills and Intake. Cause: Resignation of Daniel Barwell (Lab) on 11 February 2022.
Ealing: Dormers Wells. Cause: Death of Tejinder Dhami (Lab) on 17 December 2021.
East Dunbartonshire: Bishopbriggs South. Cause: Death of Alan Brown (C) on 13 November 2021.
Edinburgh: Fountainbridge and Craiglockhart. Cause: Resignation of Gavin Corbett (SGP) on 7 November 2021.
Eilean Siar: Steòrnabhagh a Deas. Cause: Resignation of Charlie Nicolson (Ind) on 10 November 2021.
Fife: St Andrews. Cause: Resignation of Dominic Nolan (C) on c. 25 November 2021.
Harrogate: Marston Moor. Cause: Death of Norman Waller (C) on 25 January 2022.
Highland: Caol and Mallaig. Cause: Resignation of Ben Thompson (Ind) on 12 November 2021.
Hounslow: Bedfont. Cause: Death of Javed Akhunzada (Lab) on 29 November 2021.
Huntingdonshire: St Neots East. Cause: Resignation of David Wells (C) on 17 November 2021.
Ipswich: Bridge. Cause: Resignation of Collette Allen (Lab) on 1 January 2022.
Kingston-upon-Thames: Alexandra. Cause: Resignation of Sharron Falchikov-Sumner (GP elected as L Dem) on 31 January 2022.
Lambeth: Clapham Town. Cause: Resignation of Christopher Wellbelove (Lab) on 10 February 2022.
Lambeth: Oval. Cause: Resignation of Philip Normal (Lab) on 13 January 2022.
Manchester: Crumpsall. Cause: Resignation of Sir Richard Leese (Lab) on 31 December 2021.
Merton: Graveney. Cause: Resignation of Tobin Byers (Lab) on 14 January 2022.
Monmouthshire: Llangybi Fawr. Cause: Death of Peter Clarke (C) on 10 January 2022.
Moray: Elgin City North. Cause: Resignation of Paula Coy (SNP) on 24 November 2021.
Powys: Gwernyfed. Cause: Resignation of James Evans (C) on 31 December 2021.
Rhondda Cynon Taf: Cymmer. Cause: Resignation of Margaret Tegg (Lab) on 8 February 2022.
St Helens: Town Centre. Cause: Resignation of Carole Gill (Lab) on c. 21 January 2022.
Sandwell: Bristnall. Cause: Resignation of Rajbir Singh (Lab) on 17 November 2021.
Solihull: Castle Bromwich. Cause: Resignation of Cheryl Buxton-Sait (GP) on 28 November 2021.
Somerset: Chard North. Cause: Resignation of Amanda Broom (L Dem) on 7 December 2021.
Somerset: Ilminster. Cause: Resignation of Linda Vijeh (C) on 1 January 2022.
South Ayrshire: Ayr West. Cause: Resignation of Siobhan Brown (SNP) on 17 January 2022.
South Cambridgeshire: Harston and Comberton. Cause: Resignation of Fiona Whelan (L Dem) on 9 November 2021.
Southwark: Peckham. Cause: Resignation of Johnson Situ (Lab) on 15 November 2021.
Sutton: Beddington South. Cause: Resignation of Manuel Abellan (L Dem) on 30 January 2022.
Trafford: Bowdon. Cause: Resignation of Karen Barclay (C) on 1 January 2022.
Tunbridge Wells: Paddock Wood West. Cause: Resignation of Bill Hills (C) on 20 January 2022.
Walsall: Pleck. Cause: Disqualification of Simran Cheema (Lab) on 16 December 2021.
Wandsworth: East Putney. Cause: Resignation of Sarah Binder (C) on 20 December 2021.
Winchester: St Michael. Cause: Death of Lynda Murphy (L Dem) on 6 December 2021.
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 11, 2022 21:58:56 GMT
Slightly surprisingly Labour are not contesting any of the 4 by-elections on 10th March:
Herefordshire is Con and 2 x Ind
The 2 Hitchin contests are both LD, Con, Grn and CPA
Rutland is Con vs Grn.
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Post by evergreenadam on Feb 11, 2022 22:12:04 GMT
Slightly surprisingly Labour are not contesting any of the 4 by-elections on 10th March: Herefordshire is Con and 2 x Ind The 2 Hitchin contests are both LD, Con, Grn and CPA Rutland is Con vs Grn. Progressive Alliance. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 11, 2022 22:13:18 GMT
Slightly surprisingly Labour are not contesting any of the 4 by-elections on 10th March: Herefordshire is Con and 2 x Ind The 2 Hitchin contests are both LD, Con, Grn and CPA Rutland is Con vs Grn. Progressive Alliance. At this stage I wouldn't rule out nomination cock-up in Hitchin - the other 2 absences are less surprising... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 22:15:28 GMT
Slightly surprisingly Labour are not contesting any of the 4 by-elections on 10th March: Herefordshire is Con and 2 x Ind The 2 Hitchin contests are both LD, Con, Grn and CPA Rutland is Con vs Grn. Progressive Alliance. Labour agreeing to stand down in a place like Hitchin is very, very highly unlikely. As Tony Otim said, my bet would be nominations cock up |
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Post by iain on Feb 11, 2022 22:28:51 GMT
Labour agreeing to stand down in a place like Hitchin is very, very highly unlikely. As Tony Otim said, my bet would be nominations cock up I mean they’re both very middle class parts of Hitchin: Con-LD marginals with little Labour presence. That said, yes, I also suspect a cock-up here. |
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Post by peterl on Feb 12, 2022 0:28:11 GMT
Daryl Turner, Conservative resigns as a Dorset Councillor for Lyme Regis and Charmouth. I think the rifts within the Dorset Conservatives are very real, but the whole 'moving to Wales' thing doesn't exactly help his case. Right then its official now. We have been expecting this since about November. We are well prepared and will be fighting this one seriously. First ever Dorset Council by election incidentially. Some more details from the local paper |
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Post by froome on Feb 12, 2022 8:07:37 GMT
Slightly surprisingly Labour are not contesting any of the 4 by-elections on 10th March: Herefordshire is Con and 2 x Ind The 2 Hitchin contests are both LD, Con, Grn and CPA Rutland is Con vs Grn. Progressive Alliance. between Labour and CPA?  |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Feb 13, 2022 18:01:21 GMT
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