YL
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Post by YL on Oct 31, 2021 10:36:26 GMT
Has anybody submitted anything here? The consultation closes on Wednesday.
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Harry Hayfield
Green
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 4, 2021 19:08:29 GMT
I have submitted (as part of the 1,100 other submissions) a complete set of proposals across Wales, creating 32 constituencies each of which is within the UKEQ (with a 5% margin of error) with the complete backing of the Welsh Green Party, who have added that I may formally represent the party at the public inquiries to be held next year across Wales.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Nov 4, 2021 21:42:46 GMT
I sent in a (more verbose than I'd ideally have liked) submission. Just as a private individual. I do not aspire to international endorsements.
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Nov 7, 2021 17:22:01 GMT
I would love to see all your submissions, I think the commission has a lot of work to do sifting through them and I suspect there will be many changes to the original plan.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 7, 2021 20:29:04 GMT
All the villages called “Llan-” something, all in one constituency. Start with the tiniest village, add in other villages (in order of population). If there is still not enough electorate, add in the other “Ll-” names. Adjust the border between England & Wales in the north-west Shropshire area, so that Llawnt can be included.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 7, 2021 20:49:26 GMT
All the villages called “Llan-” something, all in one constituency. Start with the tiniest village, add in other villages (in order of population). If there is still not enough electorate, add in the other “Ll-” names. Adjust the border between England & Wales in the north-west Shropshire area, so that Llawnt can be included. And we could have another combining all the Aber- places!
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 8, 2021 2:58:28 GMT
All the villages called “Llan-” something, all in one constituency. Start with the tiniest village, add in other villages (in order of population). If there is still not enough electorate, add in the other “Ll-” names. Adjust the border between England & Wales in the north-west Shropshire area, so that Llawnt can be included. And we could have another combining all the Aber- places! Will that have an exclave at Aberdeen, or an American-stylee snaking strip of territory joining them all up?
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Post by Penddu on Nov 10, 2021 3:23:51 GMT
All the villages called “Llan-” something, all in one constituency. Start with the tiniest village, add in other villages (in order of population). If there is still not enough electorate, add in the other “Ll-” names. Adjust the border between England & Wales in the north-west Shropshire area, so that Llawnt can be included. That would be a huge constituency covering every county in Wales - except for Merthyr.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Nov 10, 2021 13:07:18 GMT
All the villages called “Llan-” something, all in one constituency. Start with the tiniest village, add in other villages (in order of population). If there is still not enough electorate, add in the other “Ll-” names. Adjust the border between England & Wales in the north-west Shropshire area, so that Llawnt can be included. That would be a huge constituency covering every county in Wales - except for Merthyr.
Unfortunate that, as we can't call it the Merthyr of all Constituencies.
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Post by Penddu on Nov 13, 2021 1:38:17 GMT
That would be a huge constituency covering every county in Wales - except for Merthyr.
Unfortunate that, as we can't call it the Merthyr of all Constituencies.
Merthyr she wrote.....
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 22, 2021 20:17:52 GMT
I have booked a place at the public meetings in Aberystwyth (Jan 13), Swansea (Feb 13) and Cardiff (Feb 20) and am looking forward to seeing as many of you there as is possible
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Dec 17, 2021 11:40:51 GMT
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nodealbrexiteer
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Dec 17, 2021 16:28:09 GMT
That would be a huge constituency covering every county in Wales - except for Merthyr.
Unfortunate that, as we can't call it the Merthyr of all Constituencies.
Is that you Jacques?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Dec 17, 2021 23:36:33 GMT
I'm awaiting the Readers' Digest version.
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Post by aberdarian on Dec 23, 2021 14:23:00 GMT
I'm just over halfway through reading Volume 1 of the responses (it's going to be a long couple of weeks). Most of the predicted problem areas are getting a good airing e.g. Bangor/Bethesda in Aberconwy; Llangunnor (including Carmarthen railway station and Ysgol Bro Myrddin) in Llanelli; suburbs of Bridgend in close proximity to the town centre being put in Aberafan Porthcawl; Pontyclun in Cardiff West; splitting the Cynon Valley; upper Swansea Valley in Brecon & Radnor etc. All fair points as far as I'm concerned. Also lots of complaints about it being a Tory plot - I can understand that. And the BCfW are being blamed for the rules. They're even being blamed for keeping Ynys Môn by some people.
The most bizarre thing is the number of respondents who seem to think this is proposing new local authority boundaries (about 50% I reckon) - constant complaints about such things as increased council taxes, school catchment areas, Chief Executive pay, bin/recycling collections and (the last one I read) how much it's going to cost to replace the signposts. I assumed the people who actually bothered responding to this would be politically engaged and at least have some understanding of the process. Obviously not. What hope is there though when even the Cynon Valley Constituency Labour Party criticises the proposals (understandably) but doesn't bother to put forward an alternative proposal. They seem to want the status quo. That would be my preference too but it's not actually an option, in case they hadn't noticed.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 23, 2021 15:04:17 GMT
If it's anything like LGBCE reviews, you can probably split the responses 3 ways:
1. Anything talking about house prices or council tax gets thrown away (even in the unlikely event that valid objections are also made)
2. Objections without suggestions will be noted, and if there are enough of them they may produce a change, but only if a small change is viable
3. Objections with counter-proposals will be read.
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Post by greenhert on Dec 23, 2021 15:24:15 GMT
If it's anything like LGBCE reviews, you can probably split the responses 3 ways: 1. Anything talking about house prices or council tax gets thrown away (even in the unlikely event that valid objections are also made) 2. Objections without suggestions will be noted, and if there are enough of them they may produce a change, but only if a small change is viable 3. Objections with counter-proposals will be read.There are surprisingly few of those even in local boundary reviews-when I objected to some of the constituency proposals in the East of England, I uploaded maps detailing viable alternative proposals (and suggested better names for constituencies with the most sensible allowable boundaries but the wrong names). Sometimes submitting an alternative proposal is as simple as just swapping two wards sensibly.
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 24, 2021 9:30:06 GMT
If it's anything like LGBCE reviews, you can probably split the responses 3 ways: 1. Anything talking about house prices or council tax gets thrown away (even in the unlikely event that valid objections are also made) 2. Objections without suggestions will be noted, and if there are enough of them they may produce a change, but only if a small change is viable 3. Objections with counter-proposals will be read.There are surprisingly few of those even in local boundary reviews-when I objected to some of the constituency proposals in the East of England, I uploaded maps detailing viable alternative proposals (and suggested better names for constituencies with the most sensible allowable boundaries but the wrong names). Sometimes submitting an alternative proposal is as simple as just swapping two wards sensibly. Detailed counter-proposals are more difficult to put together for local boundary reviews, since you don't have nice easy and convenient building blocks.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 24, 2021 10:08:09 GMT
There are surprisingly few of those even in local boundary reviews-when I objected to some of the constituency proposals in the East of England, I uploaded maps detailing viable alternative proposals (and suggested better names for constituencies with the most sensible allowable boundaries but the wrong names). Sometimes submitting an alternative proposal is as simple as just swapping two wards sensibly. Detailed counter-proposals are more difficult to put together for local boundary reviews, since you don't have nice easy and convenient building blocks. Yes you do. Individual houses. Makes it even easier than higher-up boundary reviews. Though that can make things fiddly when an "individual house" is a hall of residence with 1500 electors in it right on the border between two wards.
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 24, 2021 10:17:03 GMT
Detailed counter-proposals are more difficult to put together for local boundary reviews, since you don't have nice easy and convenient building blocks. Yes you do. Individual houses. Makes it even easier than higher-up boundary reviews. Though that can make things fiddly when an "individual house" is a hall of residence with 1500 electors in it right on the border between two wards. For experts, maybe. For members of the public who are new to the whole thing, it becomes somewhat daunting. With Westminster reviews, all someone needs to do to create a counter-proposal is find out that boundary assistant exists and play around with it. With local authority reviews, it's a much more daunting thing to get into, there aren't any easy tools, and the base data you need is not so easily accessible.
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