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Post by carlton43 on Mar 31, 2021 22:47:24 GMT
Yes, the Aberdeen Angus grouping is hard to resist on the strength of the name alone, quite apart from its entitlement of 6.00 exactly; but I left it out because it implies linking Dundee with P&K, which is fine on the numbers at 3.03 but I don't see how it can possibly work. I would urge that we steer clear of that grouping lest we end up on the horns of a dilemma. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 31, 2021 22:51:13 GMT
Yes, the Aberdeen Angus grouping is hard to resist on the strength of the name alone, quite apart from its entitlement of 6.00 exactly; but I left it out because it implies linking Dundee with P&K, which is fine on the numbers at 3.03 but I don't see how it can possibly work. I would urge that we steer clear of that grouping lest we end up on the horns of a dilemma. I'd certainly have a beef with that. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 31, 2021 23:13:32 GMT
I would urge that we steer clear of that grouping lest we end up on the horns of a dilemmat. I'd certainly have a beef with that. I once went for a meal in Glasgow with a couple of former work colleagues from Worcestershire who were up in Scotland. They asked the waitress if the steaks were Aberdeen Angus. "No, Hereford". |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 31, 2021 23:34:07 GMT
There's also a tempting Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire/Angus grouping, but that leaves a problem with Dundee: I think you'd either end up with some weird Dundee West & Random Bits of Perthshire seat or maybe even the Beautiful Constituency of the Silvery Tay. And you'd also get a Drumochter seat... "With its boundaries so lovely and gay". But perhaps we can pass on the Drumochter seat? That's what Garry says. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 1, 2021 8:13:48 GMT
"With its boundaries so lovely and gay". But perhaps we can pass on the Drumochter seat? That's what Garry says. You take the High Road and I'll take the Low Road and we'll both go a considerable distance without actually meeting. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 1, 2021 8:17:35 GMT
I would urge that we steer clear of that grouping lest we end up on the horns of a dilemma. I'd certainly have a beef with that. After all there is a lot at steak. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 1, 2021 9:14:09 GMT
But perhaps we can pass on the Drumochter seat? That's what Garry says. You take the High Road and I'll take the Low Road and we'll both go a considerable distance without actually meeting. And one of us will be there Afriyie. I adamantly believe that. |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Apr 1, 2021 14:59:28 GMT
I emailed the BCS asking for the ward data in a machine-readable format and they have now sent me a spreadsheet so the data should be up on Boundary Assistant within the next few days.
I also asked about sub-ward level data and they said:
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Post by islington on Apr 1, 2021 16:04:38 GMT
I emailed the BCS asking for the ward data in a machine-readable format and they have now sent me a spreadsheet so the data should be up on Boundary Assistant within the next few days. I also asked about sub-ward level data and they said: It's a shame we're going to have to wait for the sub-ward data because I've been doing some tinkering and I am pretty sure now that a non-split solution is impossible in Edinburgh.
Naturally I am inconsolable.
On the other hand I think I have a deliciously absurd non-split solution for Highland and I look forward to being able to check it on BA and post it here if it works.
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Post by aidanthomson on Apr 1, 2021 16:17:21 GMT
For Ayrshire you can have: Kilmarnock & Irvine - the two towns Ayr - the Ayr wards, Troon, Prestwick, Kyle Carrick & Cumnock (?) - the remainder of East and South Ayrshire North Ayrshire & Arran - the remainder of North Ayrshire Midlothian can stand alone, and then D&G, Borders and East Lothian can be taken together. Lochar would need to be split between Dumfries & Galloway and "Annandale and the west bit of the Borders". The Eastern Borders seat would then either take Dunbar & East Linton, or you'd need to split off part (most) of Haddington. The problem is that between them Inverclyde and Renfrewshire are not big enough for 3 seats. If the Glasgow border is sacrosanct, and East Renfrewshire is still within quota, then a piece of North Ayrshire will be needed. The Glasgow border shouldn't be sacrosanct: partly because Glasgow and the three Renfrewshire authorities work nicely for ten seats; partly because the three Ayrshire authorities work nicely for four seats; and partly because, as Glasgow would see its apportionment fall from seven seats to six, minimum change is impossible. So you might as well straddle the city boundary and be done with it. The question is where. I imagine probably Cardonald, which will probably result in a Glasgow South Inner seat, based on Govan, Pollokshields, most of Langside, and part of Southside Central; and a Glasgow South Outer seat, based on Greater Pollok, Newlands/Auldburn, Linn, and a bit of Langside. (A bit of Southside Central would have to be added to a northside seat. The northside doesn't have enough electors to make four whole seats.) An alternative would be to split East Renfrewshire, with Barrhead and Neilston joining a Renfrewshire seat, and the Eastwood parts acquiring parts of Glasgow South. That way, Glasgow South West would be able to survive with minor alterations, while Glasgow South would pick up most of the southside parts of the current Central. This won't happen, because East Renfrewshire is bang on quota and is coterminous with an existing seat. But it could be popular in some quarters, notably among the Conservatives, who would fancy their chances in a seat comprising Eastwood, Newlands, Cathcart and Carmunnock. Lochar is easily split: retain the parts of it in Dumfries town (about a quarter of the ward, I would guess) in Dumfries and Galloway, and move Locharbriggs and Heathall into whatever the successor seat is to DCT. |
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Post by aidanthomson on Apr 1, 2021 16:21:45 GMT
I emailed the BCS asking for the ward data in a machine-readable format and they have now sent me a spreadsheet so the data should be up on Boundary Assistant within the next few days. I also asked about sub-ward level data and they said: Presumably the postcode-electorate data will require appropriate GIS software for it to be user-friendly? For those of us who don't yet have GIS software, is there any particular sort that people would recommend? |
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Post by obsie on Apr 1, 2021 17:20:26 GMT
I emailed the BCS asking for the ward data in a machine-readable format and they have now sent me a spreadsheet so the data should be up on Boundary Assistant within the next few days. I also asked about sub-ward level data and they said: Presumably the postcode-electorate data will require appropriate GIS software for it to be user-friendly? For those of us who don't yet have GIS software, is there any particular sort that people would recommend? I would go with QGIS ( qgis.org/en/site/). |
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Post by aidanthomson on Apr 1, 2021 22:09:04 GMT
Presumably the postcode-electorate data will require appropriate GIS software for it to be user-friendly? For those of us who don't yet have GIS software, is there any particular sort that people would recommend? I would go with QGIS ( qgis.org/en/site/). Thanks, obsie . |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Apr 2, 2021 16:28:59 GMT
 A six seat Glasgow with one split ward. Scotland 2020 ward electorates are up on Boundary Assistant now. |
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Post by afleitch on Apr 2, 2021 18:56:44 GMT
Thanks for getting this up and running.
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Post by afleitch on Apr 2, 2021 19:00:59 GMT
So without data smaller than wards this is...tough.
Few pointers though. If you're having to breach the Renfrewshire (old county) border to get your Ayrshire seats in quota, why not take the Isle of Bute instead!
But having Inverclyde/Renfrewshire buffered by an in quota Ayrshire, East Renfrewshire and Glasgow being such a headache, you can jump across the Clyde estuary via the Erskine Bridge (the provisional First Review for Holyrood floated that idea) but that just pushes your problems elsewhere.
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Post by islington on Apr 2, 2021 20:25:58 GMT
Right, I've got something but it's terrible. It divides Scotland (protected areas aside) into 48 constituencies of which 41 are regular seats and 7 are 'doubles': that is, they are intentionally drawn with roughly double the normal electorate with a view to their being divided in two by means of a suitable ward split.
The groupings held up better than I expected. They are the same as I posted on Wednesday (10.22am) except that I ended up treating W Duns and A&B with the northern group. This gives an apparently tricky allowance of 12.73 = 13 but there's a permissibly undersize seat in the Highlands so it all worked out. It looks like this -
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Post by islington on Apr 2, 2021 20:32:19 GMT
North east Scotland came out like this. Most of this is not actually that bad. Note that Dundee is a 'double'.  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 2, 2021 20:32:19 GMT
The Pitchfork bait thread is over that way.
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Post by islington on Apr 2, 2021 20:37:31 GMT
The Pitchfork bait thread is over that way. OK, fair comment and obviously more work is needed, but it's a start. P&K, Clacks and Fife yielded seats of varying quality. The Clacks/Perth combination is a 'double'. Note that Stirling gets a seat to itself.
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