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Post by therealriga on Feb 1, 2021 21:10:08 GMT
The Scottish boundary commission site is an excellent resource for previous reviews, it's a shame that the other 3 commissions don't follow their lead and put previous reviews on their sites. The Welsh Commission at one time put up PDFs of all of its previous reviews. I stupidly did not download them. Did anyone else? The Welsh Commission did something similar in not giving South Glamorgan the extra constituency it was entitled to. It's in those PDFs I didn't download. Shame about the lack of a PDF. Maybe an FOI request might yield something? I remember the English review of 1982 used to be online too but then vanished. In the case of the Welsh Commission, wasn't the South Glamorgan entitlement still below a whole integer? |
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Post by afleitch on Feb 4, 2021 13:22:13 GMT
The electorate for the existing constituencies will be 20 years old this June. Which makes them the 'oldest' constituencies in Scotland since the 1948 Act.
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 9, 2021 3:26:22 GMT
The electorate for the existing constituencies will be 20 years old this June. Which makes them the 'oldest' constituencies in Scotland since the 1948 Act. Werent the 1983 to 1997 boundaries based on 1976 electorates? If so it means they would have been slightly more than 20 years old just before the 1997 election. Sorry to be pedantic. I may be wrong about 1976. |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Feb 9, 2021 13:27:48 GMT
The electorate for the existing constituencies will be 20 years old this June. Which makes them the 'oldest' constituencies in Scotland since the 1948 Act. Werent the 1983 to 1997 boundaries based on 1976 electorates? If so it means they would have been slightly more than 20 years old just before the 1997 election. Sorry to be pedantic. I may be wrong about 1976. It was 1976 in England but 1980 in Scotland, 1981 in Wales and 1979 in Northern Ireland according to the BBC/ITN Guide to the New Parliamentary Constituencies published in 1983. |
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Post by iain on Mar 30, 2021 8:29:48 GMT
Any update on when we will get the ward figures here?
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 30, 2021 11:11:16 GMT
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Post by iain on Mar 30, 2021 11:21:10 GMT
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Post by islington on Mar 30, 2021 12:04:29 GMT
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Mar 30, 2021 12:08:17 GMT
The electorate for the existing constituencies will be 20 years old this June. Which makes them the 'oldest' constituencies in Scotland since the 1948 Act. Pity they got out of sync with the rest of the UK |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 30, 2021 12:13:30 GMT
And some council areas have areas of wards too. North, West and Central Sutherland has more square kilometres than electors! |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Mar 30, 2021 12:44:24 GMT
What a crap format though. My PDF reader software identifies pages 1, 2 & 6 as scanned images and will only convert 3, 4 & 5 to Excel. And there are no ward codes to match to the Ordnance Survey mapping data. |
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Post by iain on Mar 30, 2021 12:51:57 GMT
Initial look at Edinburgh makes me think a slight rejigging of compass points might be in order:
West - Almond, Drum Brae, Corstophine, part of Inverleith
North & Leith - Forth, Leith, Leith Walk, part of Inverleith
South East - Craigentinny, Portobello, Liberton, part of Southside or Colinton
South West - Pentland Hills, Sighthill, part or all of Colinton, part of Fountainbridge
Central - City Centre, Morningside, part or all of Southside, part of Fountainbridge
You could keep the same compass points (Liberton, Morningside and Southside would actually form an in-quota South by themselves), but this would either need quite a bit more ward splitting, or a strange Edinburgh East and Central made up of Portobello, Craigentinny, City Centre and part of Fountainbridge and / or Sighthill.
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Post by iain on Mar 30, 2021 13:27:21 GMT
For Ayrshire you can have:
Kilmarnock & Irvine - the two towns
Ayr - the Ayr wards, Troon, Prestwick, Kyle
Carrick & Cumnock (?) - the remainder of East and South Ayrshire
North Ayrshire & Arran - the remainder of North Ayrshire
Midlothian can stand alone, and then D&G, Borders and East Lothian can be taken together. Lochar would need to be split between Dumfries & Galloway and "Annandale and the west bit of the Borders". The Eastern Borders seat would then either take Dunbar & East Linton, or you'd need to split off part (most) of Haddington.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 30, 2021 13:33:24 GMT
For Ayrshire you can have: Kilmarnock & Irvine - the two towns Ayr - the Ayr wards, Troon, Prestwick, Kyle Carrick & Cumnock (?) - the remainder of East and South Ayrshire North Ayrshire & Arran - the remainder of North Ayrshire Midlothian can stand alone, and then D&G, Borders and East Lothian can be taken together. Lochar would need to be split between Dumfries & Galloway and "Annandale and the west bit of the Borders". The Eastern Borders seat would then either take Dunbar & East Linton, or you'd need to split off part (most) of Haddington. The problem is that between them Inverclyde and Renfrewshire are not big enough for 3 seats. If the Glasgow border is sacrosanct, and East Renfrewshire is still within quota, then a piece of North Ayrshire will be needed. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Mar 30, 2021 13:35:02 GMT
For Ayrshire you can have: Kilmarnock & Irvine - the two towns Ayr - the Ayr wards, Troon, Prestwick, Kyle Carrick & Cumnock (?) - the remainder of East and South Ayrshire North Ayrshire & Arran - the remainder of North Ayrshire Midlothian can stand alone, and then D&G, Borders and East Lothian can be taken together. Lochar would need to be split between Dumfries & Galloway and "Annandale and the west bit of the Borders". The Eastern Borders seat would then either take Dunbar & East Linton, or you'd need to split off part (most) of Haddington. The problem is that between them Inverclyde and Renfrewshire are not big enough for 3 seats. If the Glasgow border is sacrosanct, and East Renfrewshire is still within quota, then a piece of North Ayrshire will be needed. Getting very complex then! PS interesting new avatar! |
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Post by iain on Mar 30, 2021 13:38:45 GMT
For Ayrshire you can have: Kilmarnock & Irvine - the two towns Ayr - the Ayr wards, Troon, Prestwick, Kyle Carrick & Cumnock (?) - the remainder of East and South Ayrshire North Ayrshire & Arran - the remainder of North Ayrshire Midlothian can stand alone, and then D&G, Borders and East Lothian can be taken together. Lochar would need to be split between Dumfries & Galloway and "Annandale and the west bit of the Borders". The Eastern Borders seat would then either take Dunbar & East Linton, or you'd need to split off part (most) of Haddington. The problem is that between them Inverclyde and Renfrewshire are not big enough for 3 seats. If the Glasgow border is sacrosanct, and East Renfrewshire is still within quota, then a piece of North Ayrshire will be needed. Yep, have just got that far! I have to say, I don't have too many problems in crossing the Glasgow border given how tightly they are drawn. |
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Post by islington on Mar 30, 2021 15:14:18 GMT
Just for fun, but -  Aberdeen Inner - 76538 Aberdeen Outer - 76917
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Post by islington on Mar 31, 2021 8:35:53 GMT
Scotland's total entitlement, excluding the protected seats, is 54.82 = 55.
This divides:
Aberdeen City - 2.09 Aberdeenshire - 2.68 Angus - 1.23 Argyll & Bute - 0.92
Clackmannan - 0.54 Dumfries & Galloway - 1.60
Dundee - 1.47 East Ayrshire - 1.28
East Dunbartonshire - 1.16
East Lothian - 1.12 East Renfrewshire - 0.99
Edinburgh - 4.94 Falkirk - 1.68 Fife - 3.79 Glasgow - 6.08
Highland - 2.45 Inverclyde - 0.83
Midlothian - 0.97 Moray - 0.97
North Ayrshire - 1.45
North Lanarkshire - 3.52
Perth & Kinross - 1.56 Renfrewshire - 1.87
Scottish Borders - 1.24 South Ayrshire - 1.22
South Lanarkshire - 3.45
Stirling - 0.95 West Dunbartonshire - 0.92
West Lothian - 1.84
I haven't worked out possible groupings yet.
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Post by islington on Mar 31, 2021 9:22:15 GMT
This is totally off the top of my head and will probably collapse like a house of cards on first contact with the ward-specific data, but -
Highland/Moray/Abs/Aberdeen/Angus/Dundee = 10.89 = 11
P&K/Clacks/Fife = 5.89 = 6
Stirling = 0.95 = 1
A&B/WDuns/EDuns/Glasgow/Inverclyde/Renfs/ERenfs/NLanarks/Falkirk = 17.97 = 18 (in theory some parts of this could be separated out but I'm assuming that the Glasgow boundary will end up being crossed all over the place, otherwise you could have Dunsx2/A&B = 3.00, ERenfs = 0.99, the rest = 13.98)
Ayrshire x 3 = 3.95 = 4
SLanarks/D&G = 5.05 = 5 (and a great disappointment that this combination works out so well)
Lothianx3/Edinburgh/ScotBorders = 10.11 = 10
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Post by afleitch on Mar 31, 2021 9:44:31 GMT
The best way to do this is start with the Highlands first to get your seats by electorate and geography within quota or, perhaps not quite if it can be justified in the legislation. Wards will of course be subdivided if it makes sense. I do have a link to polling districts for the whole of Scotland which I'll need to dig out.
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