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Post by islington on Jun 8, 2021 10:08:15 GMT
I've looked again at the three east Berks UAs and the basic problem is that you're very light on electors for four seats. It can be done, without splits, but it's not a happy solution. A split might help, but it would still be awkward.
I'm sure this is why the BCE has crossed the border into Surrey.
I still think the better solution is to pitch the three east Berks UAs in with Bucks & MK for 12 seats; but I can see why the BCE hasn't done this, especially in view of the very tempting entitlement of Bucks/MK of 8.00.
Do I feel strongly enough about this to make representations? I'm not sure. At the moment, I'm thinking probably not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:28:14 GMT
Thoughts on the Solent area:
New Forest constituencies unchanged. Same with Southampton Test and Itchen.
Eastleigh: takes Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury wards (both Eastleigh BC) from Winchester constituency while losing a large area from Hedge End to Hamble (all in Eastleigh BC). Unlike Eastleigh Borough Council and the previous constituency, this is truly well described as Eastleigh, rather than being "Eastleigh plus the rest of the eastern periphery of Southampton". So very sensible. On the parliamentary level, the Lib Dems have fallen back massively from 2015-19 but this probably weakens that decline by a small amount.
Winchester: With the loss of Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury, the constituency takes in a vast rural area. Definitely worse than before for the Lib Dems, but if I were Winchester Lib Dems, I would consider it as a reason to put more effort in, rather than a reason to give up hope.
Hedge End: I didn't expect this at all - I would have struggled to believe that it has enough people to be a constituency if someone had explained it to me, although on a map it is believable. What I still can't believe is that a constituency named Hedge End could plausibly exist, and that Hedge End genuinely may be the largest settlement in the constituency without taking a one or two Southampton wards in. However, I think Hamble, River Hamble or Hamble Valley would be a much better name.
Fareham has changed somewhat with the Hedge End constituency, instead taking in an area north of Portsmouth. It seems fairly sensible to me. I don't think Gosport, Havant or the Portsmouths have changed - certainly not drastically.
The two constituencies on the Isle of Wight have sensible boundaries IMO, although the names aren't great - Isle of Wight West doesn't get that far from the east coast! IoW West and Central, Newport and IoW Rural or IoW (Newport and Rural) are better IMO, whilst IoW East is probably fine. A train ride from Wootton in IoW East to Ashey in IoW West covers a fair distance.... eastwards!
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 8, 2021 10:30:11 GMT
Some preliminary thoughts on the Ashford set up. These days I'm a bit detatched from all this, like this is going to apply after I'm long gone. Also, I know the arrangement that applied "in my day" which was a coterminous borough/constituency is no longer remotely possible and any alternative is bound to be messy.
That said,potentially I now myself in a new constituency(Weald of Kent) where the town I look to for almost all my services (Ashford), 6 miles away,is in a different constituency, and the larger village I look to for certain other services, like GP practice, library, car servicing and indeed religious services, (Charing,just 3 miles away), is in yet a third constituency.There's messy and there's really messy.
Actually I was in favour of a Weald of Kent constituency, and for that name rather than Tenterden as I think Tenterden is on most counts the largest town in it with some 7k population, but there are several other small market towns/overgrown villages which would not regard Tenterden as their natural leader. On the whole though I would have liked personally to stay out of WoK and remain in Ashford. Indeed the boundary of Ashford constituency has been so tightly drawn on the south west side that quite a lot of new estates will finish up in WoK. This is to allow Ashford to take in two large rural wards (the two North Downs wards) from F & H.
Will give a more considered view in due course.
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Post by islington on Jun 8, 2021 11:19:27 GMT
Some preliminary thoughts on the Ashford set up. These days I'm a bit detatched from all this, like this is going to apply after I'm long gone. Also, I know the arrangement that applied "in my day" which was a coterminous borough/constituency is no longer remotely possible and any alternative is bound to be messy. That said,potentially I now myself in a new constituency(Weald of Kent) where the town I look to for almost all my services (Ashford), 6 miles away,is in a different constituency, and the larger village I look to for certain other services, like GP practice, library, car servicing and indeed religious services, (Charing,just 3 miles away), is in yet a third constituency.There's messy and there's really messy. Actually I was in favour of a Weald of Kent constituency, and for that name rather than Tenterden as I think Tenterden is on most counts the largest town in it with some 7k population, but there are several other small market towns/overgrown villages which would not regard Tenterden as their natural leader. On the whole though I would have liked personally to stay out of WoK and remain in Ashford. Indeed the boundary of Ashford constituency has been so tightly drawn on the south west side that quite a lot of new estates will finish up in WoK. This is to allow Ashford to take in two large rural wards (the two North Downs wards) from F & H. Will give a more considered view in due course. I see your point, but essentially it results from the decision to extend Ashford eastwards to include wards from Shepway. Personally, I'd have put the Shepway wards in with Canterbury, but then you have to rehouse Whitstable.
If I were going to make any representations about Kent (which seems unlikely), it would be to point out that they've made the so-called Chatham & Aylesford seat even worse (if that's possible) than it is already: it still doesn't include Chatham town centre, it's lost half of Aylesford and acquired a chunk of Rochester, and Snodland and Larkfield are stranded on the wrong side of the Medway with no bridge within the seat. It would make more sense on the ground (but maybe look worse on the map) if it swapped Rochester S ward for River; but I'm not sure how you'd solve its other problems given the approach they've taken with Maidstone.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 8, 2021 11:24:11 GMT
The South East is one of the biggest gainers of seats:
New ones include:
The Weald of Kent
Mid Berkshire
Bicester
Hedge End
Isle of Wight x 1
Farnham & Bordon
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 8, 2021 11:45:08 GMT
The South East is one of the biggest gainers of seats: New ones include: The Weald of Kent Mid Berkshire Bicester Hedge End Isle of Wight x 1Farnham & Bordon In theory I suppose West Isle of Wight is the new seat - since East is larger so contains the majority of the old seat. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 8, 2021 11:50:35 GMT
The South East is one of the biggest gainers of seats: New ones include: The Weald of Kent Mid Berkshire Bicester Hedge End Isle of Wight x 1Farnham & Bordon In theory I suppose West Isle of Wight is the new seat - since East is larger so contains the majority of the old seat. Ohh! Gold Star. That is such a very, very 'Forum' remark. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 8, 2021 11:57:50 GMT
In theory I suppose West Isle of Wight is the new seat - since East is larger so contains the majority of the old seat. Ohh! Gold Star. That is such a very, very 'Forum' remark. Why do you visit and comment on these threads then if that's your attitude? It is a fact of these reviews that there are new seats, defined as not being formed from the greater part of any previous seat, there are successor seats and there are predecessor seats. The proportion of old constituencies which go into new ones, the proportion of new seats which come from old ones - these are things that naturally are of interest to this forum. I think that despite being a longstanding and prolific poster on this forum you still fail to understand its primary purpose. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 8, 2021 12:00:06 GMT
Ohh! Gold Star. That is such a very, very 'Forum' remark. Why do you visit and comment on these threads then if that's your attitude? It is a fact of these reviews that there are new seats, defined as not being formed from the greater part of any previous seat, there are successor seats and there are predecessor seats. The proportion of old constituencies which go into new ones, the proportion of new seats which come from old ones - these are things that naturally are of interest to this forum. I think that despite being a longstanding and prolific poster on this forum you still fail to understand its primary purpose. Quite so Vicar. More gin?? |
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Post by simonb on Jun 8, 2021 12:00:19 GMT
Thoughts on the Solent area: New Forest constituencies unchanged. Same with Southampton Test and Itchen. Eastleigh: takes Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury wards (both Eastleigh BC) from Winchester constituency while losing a large area from Hedge End to Hamble (all in Eastleigh BC). Unlike Eastleigh Borough Council and the previous constituency, this is truly well described as Eastleigh, rather than being "Eastleigh plus the rest of the eastern periphery of Southampton". So very sensible. On the parliamentary level, the Lib Dems have fallen back massively from 2015-19 but this probably weakens that decline by a small amount. Winchester: With the loss of Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury, the constituency takes in a vast rural area. Definitely worse than before for the Lib Dems, but if I were Winchester Lib Dems, I would consider it as a reason to put more effort in, rather than a reason to give up hope. Hedge End: I didn't expect this at all - I would have struggled to believe that it has enough people to be a constituency if someone had explained it to me, although on a map it is believable. What I still can't believe is that a constituency named Hedge End could plausibly exist, and that Hedge End genuinely may be the largest settlement in the constituency without taking a one or two Southampton wards in. However, I think Hamble, River Hamble or Hamble Valley would be a much better name. Fareham has changed somewhat with the Hedge End constituency, instead taking in an area north of Portsmouth. It seems fairly sensible to me. I don't think Gosport, Havant or the Portsmouths have changed - certainly not drastically. The two constituencies on the Isle of Wight have sensible boundaries IMO, although the names aren't great - Isle of Wight West doesn't get that far from the east coast! IoW West and Central, Newport and IoW Rural or IoW (Newport and Rural) are better IMO, whilst IoW East is probably fine. A train ride from Wootton in IoW East to Ashey in IoW West covers a fair distance.... eastwards! I suppose the difficulty in using Newport in the name of an Isle of Wight seat is that we have a proposed Newport Pagnall seat as well as Newport East and West in Wales…. It could get very confusing! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 12:09:22 GMT
Thoughts on the Solent area: New Forest constituencies unchanged. Same with Southampton Test and Itchen. Eastleigh: takes Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury wards (both Eastleigh BC) from Winchester constituency while losing a large area from Hedge End to Hamble (all in Eastleigh BC). Unlike Eastleigh Borough Council and the previous constituency, this is truly well described as Eastleigh, rather than being "Eastleigh plus the rest of the eastern periphery of Southampton". So very sensible. On the parliamentary level, the Lib Dems have fallen back massively from 2015-19 but this probably weakens that decline by a small amount. Winchester: With the loss of Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury, the constituency takes in a vast rural area. Definitely worse than before for the Lib Dems, but if I were Winchester Lib Dems, I would consider it as a reason to put more effort in, rather than a reason to give up hope. Hedge End: I didn't expect this at all - I would have struggled to believe that it has enough people to be a constituency if someone had explained it to me, although on a map it is believable. What I still can't believe is that a constituency named Hedge End could plausibly exist, and that Hedge End genuinely may be the largest settlement in the constituency without taking a one or two Southampton wards in. However, I think Hamble, River Hamble or Hamble Valley would be a much better name. Fareham has changed somewhat with the Hedge End constituency, instead taking in an area north of Portsmouth. It seems fairly sensible to me. I don't think Gosport, Havant or the Portsmouths have changed - certainly not drastically. The two constituencies on the Isle of Wight have sensible boundaries IMO, although the names aren't great - Isle of Wight West doesn't get that far from the east coast! IoW West and Central, Newport and IoW Rural or IoW (Newport and Rural) are better IMO, whilst IoW East is probably fine. A train ride from Wootton in IoW East to Ashey in IoW West covers a fair distance.... eastwards! I suppose the difficulty in using Newport in the name of an Isle of Wight seat is that we have a proposed Newport Pagnall seat as well as Newport East and West in Wales…. It could get very confusing! And I suppose 'Greater Yarmouth' would have that issue, too. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 8, 2021 12:56:40 GMT
Some preliminary thoughts on the Ashford set up. These days I'm a bit detatched from all this, like this is going to apply after I'm long gone. Also, I know the arrangement that applied "in my day" which was a coterminous borough/constituency is no longer remotely possible and any alternative is bound to be messy. That said,potentially I now myself in a new constituency(Weald of Kent) where the town I look to for almost all my services (Ashford), 6 miles away,is in a different constituency, and the larger village I look to for certain other services, like GP practice, library, car servicing and indeed religious services, (Charing,just 3 miles away), is in yet a third constituency.There's messy and there's really messy. Actually I was in favour of a Weald of Kent constituency, and for that name rather than Tenterden as I think Tenterden is on most counts the largest town in it with some 7k population, but there are several other small market towns/overgrown villages which would not regard Tenterden as their natural leader. On the whole though I would have liked personally to stay out of WoK and remain in Ashford. Indeed the boundary of Ashford constituency has been so tightly drawn on the south west side that quite a lot of new estates will finish up in WoK. This is to allow Ashford to take in two large rural wards (the two North Downs wards) from F & H. Will give a more considered view in due course. I see your point, but essentially it results from the decision to extend Ashford eastwards to include wards from Shepway. Personally, I'd have put the Shepway wards in with Canterbury, but then you have to rehouse Whitstable.
If I were going to make any representations about Kent (which seems unlikely), it would be to point out that they've made the so-called Chatham & Aylesford seat even worse (if that's possible) than it is already: it still doesn't include Chatham town centre, it's lost half of Aylesford and acquired a chunk of Rochester, and Snodland and Larkfield are stranded on the wrong side of the Medway with no bridge within the seat. It would make more sense on the ground (but maybe look worse on the map) if it swapped Rochester S ward for River; but I'm not sure how you'd solve its other problems given the approach they've taken with Maidstone.
I had been working so hard to remember it's not called Shepway any more - it is always Shepway in my mind but I had just about remembered to call it Folkestone & Hythe. The only Shepway wards around are the ones in Maidstone! |
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Post by ricmk on Jun 8, 2021 13:01:48 GMT
Thoughts on the Solent area: New Forest constituencies unchanged. Same with Southampton Test and Itchen. Eastleigh: takes Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury wards (both Eastleigh BC) from Winchester constituency while losing a large area from Hedge End to Hamble (all in Eastleigh BC). Unlike Eastleigh Borough Council and the previous constituency, this is truly well described as Eastleigh, rather than being "Eastleigh plus the rest of the eastern periphery of Southampton". So very sensible. On the parliamentary level, the Lib Dems have fallen back massively from 2015-19 but this probably weakens that decline by a small amount. Winchester: With the loss of Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury, the constituency takes in a vast rural area. Definitely worse than before for the Lib Dems, but if I were Winchester Lib Dems, I would consider it as a reason to put more effort in, rather than a reason to give up hope. Hedge End: I didn't expect this at all - I would have struggled to believe that it has enough people to be a constituency if someone had explained it to me, although on a map it is believable. What I still can't believe is that a constituency named Hedge End could plausibly exist, and that Hedge End genuinely may be the largest settlement in the constituency without taking a one or two Southampton wards in. However, I think Hamble, River Hamble or Hamble Valley would be a much better name. Fareham has changed somewhat with the Hedge End constituency, instead taking in an area north of Portsmouth. It seems fairly sensible to me. I don't think Gosport, Havant or the Portsmouths have changed - certainly not drastically. The two constituencies on the Isle of Wight have sensible boundaries IMO, although the names aren't great - Isle of Wight West doesn't get that far from the east coast! IoW West and Central, Newport and IoW Rural or IoW (Newport and Rural) are better IMO, whilst IoW East is probably fine. A train ride from Wootton in IoW East to Ashey in IoW West covers a fair distance.... eastwards! I suppose the difficulty in using Newport in the name of an Isle of Wight seat is that we have a proposed Newport Pagnall seat as well as Newport East and West in Wales…. It could get very confusing! "Newport and Wellington" in Shropshire as well. I wouldn't expect the Newport Pagnell name to survive scrutiny; they proposed it last time out as well and it got shouted down. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jun 8, 2021 13:09:14 GMT
I suppose the difficulty in using Newport in the name of an Isle of Wight seat is that we have a proposed Newport Pagnall seat as well as Newport East and West in Wales…. It could get very confusing! "Newport and Wellington" in Shropshire as well. I wouldn't expect the Newport Pagnell name to survive scrutiny; they proposed it last time out as well and it got shouted down. Considering this review's love of convoluted names, I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with "Newport Pagnell and Wolverton" or something equally ludicrous. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2021 13:55:04 GMT
Really like the Sussex plan, hits all the marks and doesn't make the mistake of thinking the the coastal towns don't have links into the inland in the west.
From a partisan point of view, both the Lib Dems and Labour will be delighted too.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 8, 2021 14:15:22 GMT
Really like the Sussex plan, hits all the marks and doesn't make the mistake of thinking the the coastal towns don't have links into the inland in the west. From a partisan point of view, both the Lib Dems and Labour will be delighted too. Which seats will they like? |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2021 14:15:22 GMT
Thoughts on the Solent area: New Forest constituencies unchanged. Same with Southampton Test and Itchen. Eastleigh: takes Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury wards (both Eastleigh BC) from Winchester constituency while losing a large area from Hedge End to Hamble (all in Eastleigh BC). Unlike Eastleigh Borough Council and the previous constituency, this is truly well described as Eastleigh, rather than being "Eastleigh plus the rest of the eastern periphery of Southampton". So very sensible. On the parliamentary level, the Lib Dems have fallen back massively from 2015-19 but this probably weakens that decline by a small amount. Winchester: With the loss of Chandler's Ford and Hiltingbury, the constituency takes in a vast rural area. Definitely worse than before for the Lib Dems, but if I were Winchester Lib Dems, I would consider it as a reason to put more effort in, rather than a reason to give up hope. Hedge End: I didn't expect this at all - I would have struggled to believe that it has enough people to be a constituency if someone had explained it to me, although on a map it is believable. What I still can't believe is that a constituency named Hedge End could plausibly exist, and that Hedge End genuinely may be the largest settlement in the constituency without taking a one or two Southampton wards in. However, I think Hamble, River Hamble or Hamble Valley would be a much better name. Fareham has changed somewhat with the Hedge End constituency, instead taking in an area north of Portsmouth. It seems fairly sensible to me. I don't think Gosport, Havant or the Portsmouths have changed - certainly not drastically. The two constituencies on the Isle of Wight have sensible boundaries IMO, although the names aren't great - Isle of Wight West doesn't get that far from the east coast! IoW West and Central, Newport and IoW Rural or IoW (Newport and Rural) are better IMO, whilst IoW East is probably fine. A train ride from Wootton in IoW East to Ashey in IoW West covers a fair distance.... eastwards! Gosport, the two Portsmouths & Havant are indeed unchanged. The Isle of Wight seats are messy, splitting off East Cowes from Cowes and Newport (and Newport has a bit sliced off under this plan!) and Ventnor from Shanklin is just nuts. Easily rectified though by putting the East Cowes, Osborne & Fairlee seats into west and the Newchurch, Wroxall & Ventnor seats into east. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2021 14:15:58 GMT
Really like the Sussex plan, hits all the marks and doesn't make the mistake of thinking the the coastal towns don't have links into the inland in the west. From a partisan point of view, both the Lib Dems and Labour will be delighted too. Which seats will they like? Lewes & Worthing respectively. Mid Sussex also takes all the Lib Dems best bits of that district into one seat and jettisons the worst bits. It's unlikely that we're going to be competitive there anytime soon but if you're looking at future options to build on... |
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 8, 2021 15:48:16 GMT
If I didnt like Ashford that much, I was just thinking what it would look like to Damian Green. His own home and his constituency office are both taken out of Ashford constituency and into two different ones. Maybe he'll take the hint.Maybe the Tory constituency office in Bethersden might play the same role for Weald of Kent?
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Post by Adrian on Jun 8, 2021 16:07:41 GMT
Some preliminary thoughts on the Ashford set up. These days I'm a bit detatched from all this, like this is going to apply after I'm long gone. Also, I know the arrangement that applied "in my day" which was a coterminous borough/constituency is no longer remotely possible and any alternative is bound to be messy. That said,potentially I now myself in a new constituency(Weald of Kent) where the town I look to for almost all my services (Ashford), 6 miles away,is in a different constituency, and the larger village I look to for certain other services, like GP practice, library, car servicing and indeed religious services, (Charing,just 3 miles away), is in yet a third constituency.There's messy and there's really messy. Actually I was in favour of a Weald of Kent constituency, and for that name rather than Tenterden as I think Tenterden is on most counts the largest town in it with some 7k population, but there are several other small market towns/overgrown villages which would not regard Tenterden as their natural leader. On the whole though I would have liked personally to stay out of WoK and remain in Ashford. Indeed the boundary of Ashford constituency has been so tightly drawn on the south west side that quite a lot of new estates will finish up in WoK. This is to allow Ashford to take in two large rural wards (the two North Downs wards) from F & H. Will give a more considered view in due course. I prefer my Weald seat to the Commission's because it contains all the Ashford wards that aren't in the new Ashford seat and it steers clear of Maidstone. ukelect.wordpress.com/2021/03/06/2023-review-kent/ |
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