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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 18:15:10 GMT
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Here's my alternative 10-seat Brum, comments welcome.
Sutton Coldfield - 74584 B Perry Barr - 75270 B Erdington - 75366 B Hodge Hill - 73981 B Ladywood - 69963 B Acocks Green - 72153 B Hall Green - 73491 B Edgbaston - 71354 B Selly Oak - 73981 B Northfield - 69801
The basic problem was, I found, not so much with drawing seats within range as that they all tended to come out near the top of the range, which meant, with the city's overall entitlement of 9.98, that I ended up with too few electors left for the final seat or two. To get it to fit it was necessary to create some small seats to balance the big ones and it shows in the final map, with two really awkward, straggling seats (Ladywood and Northfield) with electorates below 70,000.
There are some unsatisfactory boundaries on the ground, too, probably the worst of which is the chopping in half of the Yardley area (hence I've recycled the name 'Acocks Green' for the 'Yardley-successor' seat). But on the plus side, that's the only name change we need, and each of the ten seats clearly corresponds to one of the current seats so the existing map has not been torn up totally.
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 18:22:00 GMT
Here's the Black Country plan I described earlier.
Wolverhampton North West - 76387 Wolverhampton South East - 70211 Willenhall - 75128 Walsall North - 76751 Walsall South - 71237
Other electorates as per the earlier post.
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 8, 2021 18:22:58 GMT
Splitting the Stourbridge North and Lye ward, to put Stourbridge North in (errr) Stourbridge and Lye in Halesowen would be much better. The Lye does not belong in the Owen. The Hayes is a very good boundary. |
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 18:41:55 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
Don't give up so quickly! Solihull is more awkward than with the 2019 data but can still be made to work. If you give Dorridge and Knowle wards to a Kenilworth-based seat then the rest of the borough can make 2 seats. Solihull West - 70,537 (Blythe, Lyndon, Olton, Shirley x3, St Alphege) Solihull East & Meriden - 74,629 (Bickenhill, Castle Bromwich, Chelmsley Wood, Elmdon, Kingshurst and Fordbridge, Meriden, Silhill, Smith's Wood) It's not ideal to split the town in two, but it does work. I swapped Elmdon and Lindon wards out of Solihull in exchange for Dorridge and Knowle. This gave me Solihull 75871 and Meriden 75452, with the remaining ward, Blythe, squeezed out into Stratford-on-Avon (74993 with the changes below).
Warwick & Leamington stay together but lose Budbrooke (72784); that ward plus four wards from Stratford (Snitterfield, Ettington, Red Horse, Brailes) go into Kenilworth & Southam, which loses its Rugby elements and which in this configuration I suggest be called S Warwks (74449); Rugby is coterminous with the district (75851); Bulkington goes into N Warwks (75341); Nuneaton unchanged (70335).
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Post by ilerda on Jan 8, 2021 20:51:49 GMT
 Here's my latest attempt at Birmingham, Solihull and Warwickshire (Coventry dealt with previously). It's not my ideal Solihull but it does just about work. Rather annoyingly I was 200 voters off avoiding a Solihull/Warwickshire boundary crossing, but actually including Meriden in Warwickshire gives the rest of the county more breathing space. 1 Sutton Coldfield 74584 Yes 2 Birmingham Erdington 76567 Yes 3 Birmingham Perry Barr 74979 Yes 4 Birmingham Ladywood 74195 Yes 5 Birmingham Edgbaston 73763 Yes 6 Birmingham Northfield 75634 Yes 7 Birmingham King's Heath 73894 Yes 8 Birmingham Hall Green 70468 Yes 9 Birmingham Yardley 73715 Yes 10 Birmingham Bordesley 72025 Yes 11 Solihull 70027 Yes 12 Solihull East 72618 Yes 13 Meriden, Kenilworth and Southam 76043 Yes 14 Stratford-on-Avon 72197 Yes 15 Warwick and Leamington 72784 Yes 16 Rugby 75851 Yes 17 Nuneaton 71101 Yes 18 North Warwickshire 74575 Yes |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 20:58:10 GMT
Here's the Black Country plan I described earlier.
Wolverhampton North West - 76387 Wolverhampton South East - 70211 Willenhall - 75128 Walsall North - 76751 Walsall South - 71237 Other electorates as per the earlier post.
Swap Penn with Bushbury South & Low Hill - Penn really doesn't belong or fit in that seat. Don't get hung up on whether you're splitting Bushbury - Bushbury is nearly all in 'Bushbury North' and Bushbury South & Low Hill is really just Low Hill. Otherwise swap Bushbury North and Blakenhall as well |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 8, 2021 21:37:46 GMT
Here's my latest attempt at Birmingham, Solihull and Warwickshire (Coventry dealt with previously). It's not my ideal Solihull but it does just about work. Rather annoyingly I was 200 voters off avoiding a Solihull/Warwickshire boundary crossing, but actually including Meriden in Warwickshire gives the rest of the county more breathing space. 1 Sutton Coldfield 74584 Yes 2 Birmingham Erdington 76567 Yes 3 Birmingham Perry Barr 74979 Yes 4 Birmingham Ladywood 74195 Yes 5 Birmingham Edgbaston 73763 Yes 6 Birmingham Northfield 75634 Yes 7 Birmingham King's Heath 73894 Yes 8 Birmingham Hall Green 70468 Yes 9 Birmingham Yardley 73715 Yes 10 Birmingham Bordesley 72025 Yes 11 Solihull 70027 Yes 12 Solihull East 72618 Yes 13 Meriden, Kenilworth and Southam 76043 Yes 14 Stratford-on-Avon 72197 Yes 15 Warwick and Leamington 72784 Yes 16 Rugby 75851 Yes 17 Nuneaton 71101 Yes 18 North Warwickshire 74575 Yes That's fairly close to what I had when I couldn't quite get the Solihull successor seat in quota with a Solihull-Warwickshire combination. In that combination I'd probably name your Solihull East as Chelmsley Wood (or maybe something like Chelmsley wood and Dorridge), and drop either Meriden or Southam from the name of the Kenilworth seat (I don't think Kenilworth on its own is a sufficient name, but using both of the other names is clearly overkill). |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 8, 2021 21:42:04 GMT
Don't give up so quickly! Solihull is more awkward than with the 2019 data but can still be made to work. If you give Dorridge and Knowle wards to a Kenilworth-based seat then the rest of the borough can make 2 seats. Solihull West - 70,537 (Blythe, Lyndon, Olton, Shirley x3, St Alphege) Solihull East & Meriden - 74,629 (Bickenhill, Castle Bromwich, Chelmsley Wood, Elmdon, Kingshurst and Fordbridge, Meriden, Silhill, Smith's Wood) It's not ideal to split the town in two, but it does work. I swapped Elmdon and Lindon wards out of Solihull in exchange for Dorridge and Knowle. This gave me Solihull 75871 and Meriden 75452, with the remaining ward, Blythe, squeezed out into Stratford-on-Avon (74993 with the changes below).
Warwick & Leamington stay together but lose Budbrooke (72784); that ward plus four wards from Stratford (Snitterfield, Ettington, Red Horse, Brailes) go into Kenilworth & Southam, which loses its Rugby elements and which in this configuration I suggest be called S Warwks (74449); Rugby is coterminous with the district (75851); Bulkington goes into N Warwks (75341); Nuneaton unchanged (70335).
Calling Kenilworth and Southam's successor seat South Warwickshire is going to cause confusion, given that Stratford-on-Avon is clearly to its south. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 22:02:25 GMT
Here's the Black Country plan I described earlier.
Wolverhampton North West - 76387 Wolverhampton South East - 70211 Willenhall - 75128 Walsall North - 76751 Walsall South - 71237 Other electorates as per the earlier post.
This shows what was possible here and I'm now baffled why I previously made such a hash of things around Walsall. I've nicked alot of your ideas and incorporated into my plan. Everything North of Stafford here as the same as in my original plan. Much improvement in the Black country especially Walsall (i'm still going with Hagley though)  |
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 23:33:15 GMT
I swapped Elmdon and Lindon wards out of Solihull in exchange for Dorridge and Knowle. This gave me Solihull 75871 and Meriden 75452, with the remaining ward, Blythe, squeezed out into Stratford-on-Avon (74993 with the changes below).
Warwick & Leamington stay together but lose Budbrooke (72784); that ward plus four wards from Stratford (Snitterfield, Ettington, Red Horse, Brailes) go into Kenilworth & Southam, which loses its Rugby elements and which in this configuration I suggest be called S Warwks (74449); Rugby is coterminous with the district (75851); Bulkington goes into N Warwks (75341); Nuneaton unchanged (70335).
Calling Kenilworth and Southam's successor seat South Warwickshire is going to cause confusion, given that Stratford-on-Avon is clearly to its south. Not in my plan, it isn't.
But it's moot anyway because I'm rapidly switching allegiance to ilerda's plan.
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 23:38:19 GMT
Here's my latest attempt at Birmingham, Solihull and Warwickshire (Coventry dealt with previously). It's not my ideal Solihull but it does just about work. Rather annoyingly I was 200 voters off avoiding a Solihull/Warwickshire boundary crossing, but actually including Meriden in Warwickshire gives the rest of the county more breathing space. 1 Sutton Coldfield 74584 Yes 2 Birmingham Erdington 76567 Yes 3 Birmingham Perry Barr 74979 Yes 4 Birmingham Ladywood 74195 Yes 5 Birmingham Edgbaston 73763 Yes 6 Birmingham Northfield 75634 Yes 7 Birmingham King's Heath 73894 Yes 8 Birmingham Hall Green 70468 Yes 9 Birmingham Yardley 73715 Yes 10 Birmingham Bordesley 72025 Yes 11 Solihull 70027 Yes 12 Solihull East 72618 Yes 13 Meriden, Kenilworth and Southam 76043 Yes 14 Stratford-on-Avon 72197 Yes 15 Warwick and Leamington 72784 Yes 16 Rugby 75851 Yes 17 Nuneaton 71101 Yes 18 North Warwickshire 74575 Yes Ilerda, that's a really good plan. I was going to praise it to the skies but then I noticed the orphan Solihull ward in a B'ham seat - I might have a go at trying to avoid it because overall, that caveat aside, it's the best Birmingham we've had.
The rest isn't too shabby either.
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Post by islington on Jan 9, 2021 0:15:39 GMT
Here's the Black Country plan I described earlier.
Wolverhampton North West - 76387 Wolverhampton South East - 70211 Willenhall - 75128 Walsall North - 76751 Walsall South - 71237 Other electorates as per the earlier post.
This shows what was possible here and I'm now baffled why I previously made such a hash of things around Walsall. I've nicked a lot of your ideas and incorporated into my plan.Pete, feel free. I've pinched plenty of your stuff in the past. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 9, 2021 1:53:43 GMT
This shows what was possible here and I'm now baffled why I previously made such a hash of things around Walsall. I've nicked a lot of your ideas and incorporated into my plan.Pete, feel free. I've pinched plenty of your stuff in the past. Since we're all trying to find the best set of boundaries I've always assumed that any set of potential boundaries someone posts publicly is available for the rest of us to build on. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 9, 2021 8:38:16 GMT
Here's my latest attempt at Birmingham, Solihull and Warwickshire (Coventry dealt with previously). It's not my ideal Solihull but it does just about work. Rather annoyingly I was 200 voters off avoiding a Solihull/Warwickshire boundary crossing, but actually including Meriden in Warwickshire gives the rest of the county more breathing space. 1 Sutton Coldfield 74584 Yes 2 Birmingham Erdington 76567 Yes 3 Birmingham Perry Barr 74979 Yes 4 Birmingham Ladywood 74195 Yes 5 Birmingham Edgbaston 73763 Yes 6 Birmingham Northfield 75634 Yes 7 Birmingham King's Heath 73894 Yes 8 Birmingham Hall Green 70468 Yes 9 Birmingham Yardley 73715 Yes 10 Birmingham Bordesley 72025 Yes 11 Solihull 70027 Yes 12 Solihull East 72618 Yes 13 Meriden, Kenilworth and Southam 76043 Yes 14 Stratford-on-Avon 72197 Yes 15 Warwick and Leamington 72784 Yes 16 Rugby 75851 Yes 17 Nuneaton 71101 Yes 18 North Warwickshire 74575 Yes Ilerda, that's a really good plan. I was going to praise it to the skies but then I noticed the orphan Solihull ward in a B'ham seat - I might have a go at trying to avoid it because overall, that caveat aside, it's the best Birmingham we've had.
The rest isn't too shabby either.
Probably not the best solution, but the four Wythall wards have almost exactly the same electorate as Shirley West and Worcestershire would still work without them. |
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Post by ilerda on Jan 9, 2021 9:24:47 GMT
Here's my latest attempt at Birmingham, Solihull and Warwickshire (Coventry dealt with previously). It's not my ideal Solihull but it does just about work. Rather annoyingly I was 200 voters off avoiding a Solihull/Warwickshire boundary crossing, but actually including Meriden in Warwickshire gives the rest of the county more breathing space. 1 Sutton Coldfield 74584 Yes 2 Birmingham Erdington 76567 Yes 3 Birmingham Perry Barr 74979 Yes 4 Birmingham Ladywood 74195 Yes 5 Birmingham Edgbaston 73763 Yes 6 Birmingham Northfield 75634 Yes 7 Birmingham King's Heath 73894 Yes 8 Birmingham Hall Green 70468 Yes 9 Birmingham Yardley 73715 Yes 10 Birmingham Bordesley 72025 Yes 11 Solihull 70027 Yes 12 Solihull East 72618 Yes 13 Meriden, Kenilworth and Southam 76043 Yes 14 Stratford-on-Avon 72197 Yes 15 Warwick and Leamington 72784 Yes 16 Rugby 75851 Yes 17 Nuneaton 71101 Yes 18 North Warwickshire 74575 Yes Ilerda, that's a really good plan. I was going to praise it to the skies but then I noticed the orphan Solihull ward in a B'ham seat - I might have a go at trying to avoid it because overall, that caveat aside, it's the best Birmingham we've had.
The rest isn't too shabby either.
That’s very kind of you to say, thank you islington. The orphan Solihull upsets me too, but I came to the conclusion that the Solihull borough was going to be a pain whatever happens, so it might as well help us to get a nice set of boundaries inside the rest of Birmingham. I have an alternative that borrows Castle Bromwich instead, but it’s not quite as nice for the rest of Birmingham so I probably won’t share it here. If you’re able to find a way to do it without Shirley West then please share because it would be a great relief! |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 9, 2021 10:07:51 GMT
Ilerda, that's a really good plan. I was going to praise it to the skies but then I noticed the orphan Solihull ward in a B'ham seat - I might have a go at trying to avoid it because overall, that caveat aside, it's the best Birmingham we've had.
The rest isn't too shabby either.
Probably not the best solution, but the four Wythall wards have almost exactly the same electorate as Shirley West and Worcestershire would still work without them. Apart from the colour of the street signs, Shirley West and Hall Green South sort of merge into each other fairly seamlessly. This isn't so true of Wythall, with the exception maybe of Hollywood. Wythall is full of absolutely not-Brummies with Brummie accents who would be at the pitchforks. If you wanted other places to rob from Bromsgrove - the two Rubery wards are the obvious ones. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 9, 2021 10:22:38 GMT
That would also mean the rest of Bromsgrove would be in quota, which would minimise change to the rest of Worcestershire.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 9, 2021 10:47:00 GMT
 Sutton Coldfield 74584 Perry Barr 76127 Erdington & Hodge Hill 71074 Ladywood 74122 Edgbaston 71354 Sparkbrook 72534 Yardley 73869 Hall Green 72596 Selly Oak 73981 Northfield 74731 Bromsgrove 70375 Definite room for improvement, but there's potential there. |
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Post by ilerda on Jan 9, 2021 11:07:09 GMT
This isn't meant as a criticism of anyone who has included it in their plans (because it absolutely can work), but more a friendly reminder to anyone designing constituencies in Birmingham.
North Edgbaston ward isn't really part of the modern Edgbaston area, so don't feel obliged to keep the two in one seat a la Yardley or Hall Green. North Edgbaston is really Rotton Park, which has far closer links to the city centre (ie Ladywood) than it does to the rest of the suburban Edgbaston seat.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 9, 2021 11:11:25 GMT
That messes up my plans for Hagley. That said, your Northfield seat there is the same as islington's with the exception that it includes Rubery, in other words it is within quota without needing to add Rubery or anywehre else from outside Birmingham and that's a big improvement on his plan |
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