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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 21:31:12 GMT
Here's a first draft of Shropshire. North Shropshire (77,052) Loses Hosnet and Cheswardine to The Wrekin Shrewsbury (75,139) Loses Burnell and Severn Valley to Ludlow (thus losing the "and Atcham" part of the name)
The Wrekin (76,143) Gains Hosnet and Cheswardine from North Shropshire Loses part of Oakengates and Ketley Bank to Telford (ward currently split)
Telford (70,768) Gains part of Oakengates and Ketley Bank from The Wrekin (ward currently split)
Ludlow (77,034) Gains Burnell and Severn Valley from Shrewsbury and Atcham |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 7, 2021 22:30:12 GMT
Actually found a solution that fits 21 seats in Warwickshire/Cov/Solihull/Birmingham and they're all in quota. Its not too pretty in parts but I got a cross borough seat in the Hall Green-Shirley area. Solihull loses Shirley East and West and gains Blyth which brings both it and Meriden into quota. Coventry we have already discussed and the whole of Warwickshire just requires one ward to be removed (Budbrooke from Warwick & Leamington to Kenilworth & Southam) I still want to finesse Birmingham a bit from what I've got if possible (and I'd sooner cross the border at the Castle Bromwich than the Shirley end) I've actually got a full West Midlands done with just two combinations - Solihull & Warwickshire and Dudley & Staffordshire, but its bloody horrible in places. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 22:57:58 GMT
It is possible to come up with a plan for Staffordshire on its own.  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 23:15:08 GMT
It is possible to come up with a plan for Staffordshire on its own. I'm trying it now with the Wolverhampton link and its a disaster. Sounded good in theory |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 23:21:09 GMT
Thing is the Black country boroughs can't accommodate 12 seats, presumably Staffordshire can't either so to get two seats removed between the two areas you have to combine them.
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 23:28:58 GMT
Thing is the Black country boroughs can't accommodate 12 seats, presumably Staffordshire can't either so to get two seats removed between the two areas you have to combine them. My Staffs-alone plan was 11 seats, all close to the upper limits (the map should have appeared in my post, but for some reason - as with the Shropshire one - seems to only be visible when editing the post). |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 7, 2021 23:40:05 GMT
My split of Warwick from Leamington will almost certainly get the pitchforks out. There is absolutely no need to split Warwick & Leamington at all. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 23:42:49 GMT
My split of Warwick from Leamington will almost certainly get the pitchforks out. There is absolutely no need to split Warwick & Leamington at all. What if you want to incite a pitchfork-wielding mob?  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 23:49:23 GMT
Thing is the Black country boroughs can't accommodate 12 seats, presumably Staffordshire can't either so to get two seats removed between the two areas you have to combine them. My Staffs-alone plan was 11 seats, all close to the upper limits (the map should have appeared in my post, but for some reason - as with the Shropshire one - seems to only be visible when editing the post). As I say if Staffordshire loses a 'whole' seat on its own, then that only leaves one to come from the Black country boroughs total and that isn't enough (average seat size of 12 seats there is below the minimum). So if we've established that Warwickshire/Coventry/Solihull/Birmingham are good for 21 seats and Herefordshire, Worcestershire and Shropshire need minimal change then we are compelled to combine Staffordshire and the Black Country in order to remove two seats from the whole. It sounds good in theory but is a nightmare in practice |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 9:53:25 GMT
I've found a solution to the Staffordshire/Black country conundrum. The trick is to effect multiple crossings between Staffordshire and the 'West Midlands county' (plus I still need to utilise Hagley). It's a bit messy in parts but for the most part works OK. This problem was literally keeping me awake last night..   Halesowen & Rowley Regis is exactly at the upper limit incidentally.. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 8, 2021 12:09:48 GMT
Your Kingswinford is identical to mine as are your two main Wolvo seats.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 12:38:25 GMT
Your Kingswinford is identical to mine as are your two main Wolvo seats. I particularly like those seats |
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 14:39:37 GMT
Does it involve the dreaded pitchforks of Sutton Coldfield? (Because mine did.)
No, but there may be some in Birchfield or either side of the M6.  (with added Sandwell, obviously) 1. Sutton Coldfield 2. Birmingham Perry Barr 3. Birmingham Bordesley 4. Birmingham Handsworth 5. Birmingham Hodge Hill & Erdington 6. Birmingham Yardley 7. Birmingham Edgbaston 8. Birmingham Hall Green 9. Birmingham King's Norton 10. Birmingham Northfield 11. West Bromwich East & Smethwick 12. Rowley Regis & Oldbury 13. West Bromwich West Congrats, YL - it's good to know it can be done.
I've found another 10-seat Brum plan that I'll post later. (I'm supposed to be at work ATM.)
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 14:44:02 GMT
I've found a solution to the Staffordshire/Black country conundrum. The trick is to effect multiple crossings between Staffordshire and the 'West Midlands county' (plus I still need to utilise Hagley). It's a bit messy in parts but for the most part works OK. This problem was literally keeping me awake last night.. Halesowen & Rowley Regis is exactly at the upper limit incidentally.. It's possible to do this treating W'ton and Walsall together for 5, without crossing into Worcs (therefore leaving Bromsgrove unchanged) and with only two seats crossing the Duley/Staffs boundary - I'll post when I get a chance. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 8, 2021 17:01:31 GMT
It's possible to do this treating W'ton and Walsall together for 5, without crossing into Worcs (therefore leaving Bromsgrove unchanged) and with only two seats crossing the Duley/Staffs boundary - I'll post when I get a chance. Yes, I've got a variant that does that. Stourbridge takes Kinver, the core Stourbridge wards, Wordsley & Brierley Hill Halesowen gets the core Halesowen wards, plus the Cradley wards and Netherton Kingswinford gets most of the rest of South Staffs plus the two Kingswinford wards and the Snetters. Dudley is the rest of the borough. Wolvo West as per Pete Wolvo East the two Bushburys, Fallings Park, Heath Town, the two Wednesfields, Willenhall North & Short Heath Bilston is the rest of Wolves, both Darlos and Willenhall South Bloxwich and Brownhills is Bloxwich, Brownhills, Blakenhall, Birchhills-Leamore and Rushall-Shelfield Walsall is the rest of Walsall Sandwell fits into 3 seats in a couple of different ways but I've called them Smethwick, West Bromwich and Wednesbury |
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Post by lancastrian on Jan 8, 2021 17:15:52 GMT
It's possible to do this treating W'ton and Walsall together for 5, without crossing into Worcs (therefore leaving Bromsgrove unchanged) and with only two seats crossing the Duley/Staffs boundary - I'll post when I get a chance. Yes, I've got a variant that does that. Stourbridge takes Kinver, the core Stourbridge wards, Wordsley & Brierley Hill Halesowen gets the core Halesowen wards, plus the Cradley wards and Netherton Kingswinford gets most of the rest of South Staffs plus the two Kingswinford wards and the Snetters. Dudley is the rest of the borough. Wolvo West as per Pete Wolvo East the two Bushburys, Fallings Park, Heath Town, the two Wednesfields, Willenhall North & Short Heath Bilston is the rest of Wolves, both Darlos and Willenhall South Bloxwich and Brownhills is Bloxwich, Brownhills, Blakenhall, Birchhills-Leamore and Rushall-Shelfield Walsall is the rest of Walsall Sandwell fits into 3 seats in a couple of different ways but I've called them Smethwick, West Bromwich and Wednesbury If I'm understanding this Halesowen seat correctly boundary assistant says it's too small? Halesowen x2, Belle Vale, Cradley x2, Quarry Bank, Netherton etc gives 69,354 electors, 370 short. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 8, 2021 17:18:22 GMT
Yes, I've got a variant that does that. Stourbridge takes Kinver, the core Stourbridge wards, Wordsley & Brierley Hill Halesowen gets the core Halesowen wards, plus the Cradley wards and Netherton Kingswinford gets most of the rest of South Staffs plus the two Kingswinford wards and the Snetters. Dudley is the rest of the borough. Wolvo West as per Pete Wolvo East the two Bushburys, Fallings Park, Heath Town, the two Wednesfields, Willenhall North & Short Heath Bilston is the rest of Wolves, both Darlos and Willenhall South Bloxwich and Brownhills is Bloxwich, Brownhills, Blakenhall, Birchhills-Leamore and Rushall-Shelfield Walsall is the rest of Walsall Sandwell fits into 3 seats in a couple of different ways but I've called them Smethwick, West Bromwich and Wednesbury If I'm understanding this Halesowen seat correctly boundary assistant says it's too small? Halesowen x2, Belle Vale, Cradley x2, Quarry Bank, Netherton etc gives 69,354 electors, 370 short. Just noticed I nicked Cradley Heath and Old Hill from Sandwell and gave Sandwell Halesowen North. Oh well, back to the drawing board. |
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Post by ilerda on Jan 8, 2021 17:30:57 GMT
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<script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>" alt="" style="max-width:100%;">   Here's a plan that keep 5 seats in W'ton and Walsall, plus 3 within Sandwell. I can't say I like it too much in the Stourbridge area (especially having that one stray ward from South Staffs) but technically it works. 1 Walsall East 71806 Yes 2 Walsall West 76182 Yes 3 Willenhall and Wednesfield 76159 Yes 4 Wolverhampton East 69975 Yes 5 Wolverhampton West 75592 Yes 6 West Bromwich 71832 Yes 7 Oldbury and Wednesdbury 74324 Yes 8 Warley 72383 Yes 9 Halesowen and Stourbridge South 74600 Yes 10 Dudley South and Stourbridge North 70423 Yes (alternatively called Brierley Hill) 11 Dudley North 70472 Yes 12 Kingswinford and Codsall 71306 Yes |
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Post by islington on Jan 8, 2021 17:31:57 GMT
It's possible to do this treating W'ton and Walsall together for 5, without crossing into Worcs (therefore leaving Bromsgrove unchanged) and with only two seats crossing the Duley/Staffs boundary - I'll post when I get a chance. Yes, I've got a variant that does that. Stourbridge takes Kinver, the core Stourbridge wards, Wordsley & Brierley Hill Halesowen gets the core Halesowen wards, plus the Cradley wards and Netherton Kingswinford gets most of the rest of South Staffs plus the two Kingswinford wards and the Snetters. Dudley is the rest of the borough. Wolvo West as per Pete Wolvo East the two Bushburys, Fallings Park, Heath Town, the two Wednesfields, Willenhall North & Short Heath Bilston is the rest of Wolves, both Darlos and Willenhall South Bloxwich and Brownhills is Bloxwich, Brownhills, Blakenhall, Birchhills-Leamore and Rushall-Shelfield Walsall is the rest of Walsall Sandwell fits into 3 seats in a couple of different ways but I've called them Smethwick, West Bromwich and Wednesbury OK -
I also had Kinver in Stourbridge with the obvious Stourbridge wards, Cradley, Hayley Gn and Amblecote - 74527 Halesowen the three core wards plus Old Warley, Langley, Blackheath, Rowley, Tividale - 75763 Dudley N: Castle, Gornal, Upr Gornal, Desgeley, Coseley E plus Tipton Gn, Gt Bridge - 69929 Dudley S: Remaining Dudley wards except the Kingswinfords and Wordsley, plus Cradley Heath - 70279
So I ended up with three seats straddling the Dudley/Sandwell border, which also meant that YL's plan for a 3-seat Sandwell, which I really like, had to be ditched. I'm definitely in the market for fewer Sandwell-Dudley crossings and at least one seat wholly in Dudley, which I've failed to achieve so far.
That leaves 16 Sandwell wards, which divide quite nicely into northern (Wednesbury - 72410) and southern (W Bromwich - 71126) halves.
The KIngswinfords and Wordsley go with S Staffs wards (except Kinver) up to and including Brewood (Kingswinford - 71306).
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 8, 2021 17:54:37 GMT
Splitting the Stourbridge North and Lye ward, to put Stourbridge North in (errr) Stourbridge and Lye in Halesowen would be much better.
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