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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 19:06:33 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 19:09:21 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
Birmingham is going to have to be combined with other areas anyway unless we go for ward splits. Its annoying it's almost spot on for 10 seats but there seems to be no way to get them to fit - I did actually get 9 fairly decent seats but then the 10th was well under quota. Utilising a few smaller wards from elsewhere is going to help (I wish they'd stuck to their plan for single member wards in Brum) |
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Post by ilerda on Jan 7, 2021 19:16:57 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
Don't give up so quickly! Solihull is more awkward than with the 2019 data but can still be made to work. If you give Dorridge and Knowle wards to a Kenilworth-based seat then the rest of the borough can make 2 seats. Solihull West - 70,537 (Blythe, Lyndon, Olton, Shirley x3, St Alphege) Solihull East & Meriden - 74,629 (Bickenhill, Castle Bromwich, Chelmsley Wood, Elmdon, Kingshurst and Fordbridge, Meriden, Silhill, Smith's Wood) It's not ideal to split the town in two, but it does work. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 19:17:49 GMT
Actually found a solution that fits 21 seats in Warwickshire/Cov/Solihull/Birmingham and they're all in quota. Its not too pretty in parts but I got a cross borough seat in the Hall Green-Shirley area. Solihull loses Shirley East and West and gains Blyth which brings both it and Meriden into quota. Coventry we have already discussed and the whole of Warwickshire just requires one ward to be removed (Budbrooke from Warwick & Leamington to Kenilworth & Southam)
I still want to finesse Birmingham a bit from what I've got if possible (and I'd sooner cross the border at the Castle Bromwich than the Shirley end)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 19:23:11 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
Don't give up so quickly! Solihull is more awkward than with the 2019 data but can still be made to work. If you give Dorridge and Knowle wards to a Kenilworth-based seat then the rest of the borough can make 2 seats. Solihull West - 70,537 (Blythe, Lyndon, Olton, Shirley x3, St Alphege) Solihull East & Meriden - 74,629 (Bickenhill, Castle Bromwich, Chelmsley Wood, Elmdon, Kingshurst and Fordbridge, Meriden, Silhill, Smith's Wood) It's not ideal to split the town in two, but it does work. You're over complicating things. In all of Warwickshire, Coventry and Solihull you only need move six wards - Budbrooke from W&L to K&S as mentioned above (1), swap Woodlands and St Michaels (as discussed the other day)(2,3), move Blythe from Meriden to Solihull (4), move Shirley East and Shirley West into a cross border seat with Hall Green (5,6) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 19:29:32 GMT
As I say not perfect but it works  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 19:30:27 GMT
Selly Oak there may be just as well named Moseley or Kings Norton..
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 20:05:34 GMT
On these numbers I'd suggest treating Wolverhampton with Staffs = 13.83 = 14; Dudley/Sandwell/Walsall = 8.81 = 9; Warwks/Solihull = 8.11 = 8; each of the other areas can be treated separately.  Have to add Hagley from Bromsgrove to Stourbridge to bring it up to quota, otherwise 9 seats for Dudley/Sandwell/Walsall works and a 'cross-county' Wolverhampton/Staffs seats works well too |
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Post by YL on Jan 7, 2021 20:06:18 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
Birmingham is going to have to be combined with other areas anyway unless we go for ward splits. Its annoying it's almost spot on for 10 seats but there seems to be no way to get them to fit - I did actually get 9 fairly decent seats but then the 10th was well under quota. Utilising a few smaller wards from elsewhere is going to help (I wish they'd stuck to their plan for single member wards in Brum) There is a contiguous solution for 10 Birmingham seats with no split wards. I'll see if I can improve it a bit before posting. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 7, 2021 20:10:41 GMT
Worcestershire is quite straightforward.
Wyre Forest, Bromsgrove, Worcestershire West and Worcester can stay as they are.
Redditch is under quota and Worcestershire Mid is over.
This can be fixed by moving Dodderhill and Harvington/Norton wards into Redditch.
(you could move The Littletons instead of Dodderhill but I think the Avon is a natural boundary)
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Post by islington on Jan 7, 2021 20:14:50 GMT
Birmingham is going to have to be combined with other areas anyway unless we go for ward splits. Its annoying it's almost spot on for 10 seats but there seems to be no way to get them to fit - I did actually get 9 fairly decent seats but then the 10th was well under quota. Utilising a few smaller wards from elsewhere is going to help (I wish they'd stuck to their plan for single member wards in Brum) There is a contiguous solution for 10 Birmingham seats with no split wards. I'll see if I can improve it a bit before posting. Does it involve the dreaded pitchforks of Sutton Coldfield?
(Because mine did.)
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Post by YL on Jan 7, 2021 20:23:41 GMT
There is a contiguous solution for 10 Birmingham seats with no split wards. I'll see if I can improve it a bit before posting. Does it involve the dreaded pitchforks of Sutton Coldfield? (Because mine did.)
No, but there may be some in Birchfield or either side of the M6.  (with added Sandwell, obviously) 1. Sutton Coldfield 2. Birmingham Perry Barr 3. Birmingham Bordesley 4. Birmingham Handsworth 5. Birmingham Hodge Hill & Erdington 6. Birmingham Yardley 7. Birmingham Edgbaston 8. Birmingham Hall Green 9. Birmingham King's Norton 10. Birmingham Northfield 11. West Bromwich East & Smethwick 12. Rowley Regis & Oldbury 13. West Bromwich West |
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Post by ilerda on Jan 7, 2021 20:30:38 GMT
Don't give up so quickly! Solihull is more awkward than with the 2019 data but can still be made to work. If you give Dorridge and Knowle wards to a Kenilworth-based seat then the rest of the borough can make 2 seats. Solihull West - 70,537 (Blythe, Lyndon, Olton, Shirley x3, St Alphege) Solihull East & Meriden - 74,629 (Bickenhill, Castle Bromwich, Chelmsley Wood, Elmdon, Kingshurst and Fordbridge, Meriden, Silhill, Smith's Wood) It's not ideal to split the town in two, but it does work. You're over complicating things. In all of Warwickshire, Coventry and Solihull you only need move six wards - Budbrooke from W&L to K&S as mentioned above (1), swap Woodlands and St Michaels (as discussed the other day)(2,3), move Blythe from Meriden to Solihull (4), move Shirley East and Shirley West into a cross border seat with Hall Green (5,6) Yes you're right it can be done with minor changes, and without crossing the county boundary. But I suppose it depends which border the BCE decides is best crossed. Personally I'd like to take the opportunity to correct some of the imperfections in Warwickshire's seat boundaries: - Arley & Whitacre from Nuneaton into North Warwickshire
- Bulkington from Rugby into Nuneaton
- Dunsmore from Kenilworth & Southam into Rugby
Unfortunately this would make it tricky to keep the rest of the county in quota without taking from Solihull. On the plus side, putting Solihull with Warwickshire allows Birmingham to be kept whole.
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 20:37:25 GMT
Having a try at a combined Coventry, Warwickshire, Solihull plan, and the numbers in Solihull are awkward. The best solution I've found puts my Solihull seat 10 electors under, though my can't-call-it-Meriden-anymore seat seems to work in multiple different ways. Since the two Solihull seats need to lose at least one ward, it's likely to work better when combined with Birmingham than with Warwickshire. Sadly I really don't know Birmingham well enough to do a good job of that.
Don't give up so quickly! Solihull is more awkward than with the 2019 data but can still be made to work. If you give Dorridge and Knowle wards to a Kenilworth-based seat then the rest of the borough can make 2 seats. Solihull West - 70,537 (Blythe, Lyndon, Olton, Shirley x3, St Alphege) Solihull East & Meriden - 74,629 (Bickenhill, Castle Bromwich, Chelmsley Wood, Elmdon, Kingshurst and Fordbridge, Meriden, Silhill, Smith's Wood) It's not ideal to split the town in two, but it does work. Cool. I had to stop playing with boundary assistant because of a Zoom meeting.
Whilst the rest of Warwickshire doesn't require much change I'd be inclined to propose a slight realignment in the north of Warwickshire to make the Nuneaton/Rugby border match the council border. There's no need to have Nuneaton constituency cross two council boundaries, and moving that one Rugby ward doesn't have huge knock-on implications. But that's a change that isn't strictly necessary.
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 7, 2021 20:49:00 GMT
I approve of the two Hagley wards going into a Stourbridge seat but the inhabitants probably wouldn't. They are effectively part of Stourbridge and have been since before I was born and the gap between them has long been filled.
Birmingham is just slightly painful this time.
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 7, 2021 20:53:45 GMT
I approve of the two Hagley wards going into a Stourbridge seat but the inhabitants probably wouldn't. They are effectively part of Stourbridge and have been since before I was born and the gap between them has long been filled. Birmingham is just slightly painful this time. And there we were thinking the new wards would make it easier... |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 7, 2021 20:58:25 GMT
I approve of the two Hagley wards going into a Stourbridge seat but the inhabitants probably wouldn't. They are effectively part of Stourbridge and have been since before I was born and the gap between them has long been filled. Birmingham is just slightly painful this time. And there we were thinking the new wards would make it easier... If they had been more evenly spread out, maybe. |
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Post by ilerda on Jan 7, 2021 21:04:07 GMT
I thought I had a very nice solution, until I worked out the Castle Bromwich and Castle Vale aren't actually contiguous.
Imagur is playing up at the moment, but I have got a solution that works well for Birmingham at the slight detriment of Solihull (Meriden in with Kenilworth and Shirley W in with Birmingham Hall Green). The rest of Birmingham comes out looking rather lovely though.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 21:07:17 GMT
I approve of the two Hagley wards going into a Stourbridge seat but the inhabitants probably wouldn't. They are effectively part of Stourbridge and have been since before I was born and the gap between them has long been filled. Birmingham is just slightly painful this time. And there we were thinking the new wards would make it easier... Well it was more than slightly painful last time so I guess they did |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 7, 2021 21:29:52 GMT
My split of Warwick from Leamington will almost certainly get the pitchforks out.
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