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Post by therealriga on Jan 16, 2021 23:35:30 GMT
Devon. Again, main thing I'm unhappy with is the Tiverton constituency needing an orphan ward from West Devon. But that helps to put boundary-crossing in context: it would just change where Tiverton picked up its orphan from, rather than improving anything. And there'd still be a constituency sprawling from the outskirts of Exeter across Dartmoor to the outskirts of Plymouth. I'm pleased that I anaged to keep a reasonably recognizable Plymouth Moor View – Sutton is brutal, but I'm happy enough with that.  1 Honiton 70318 Yes 2 Exeter East and Exmouth 70022 Yes (let's get rid of the stupid "East Devon" name) 3 Exeter 71713 Yes (it's really neat how the City of Exeter and East Devon work perfectly for three constituencies) 4 Tiverton 69949 Yes (and it's correspondingly really annoying how Mid and North Devon don't quite work for two!) 5 North Devon 70895 Yes 6 Torridge and Okehampton 70815 Yes 7 Newton Abbot 70531 Yes 8 Torbay 69783 Yes 9 Totnes 70873 Yes 10 Plymouth Sutton and South West Devon 70649 Yes 11 Plymouth Moor View 73141 Yes 12 Plymouth Devonport 70326 Yes 13 West Devon 70439 Yes (faintly ridiculous constituency, but the alternative is large-scale reconfiguration of Newton Abbot, (possibly Torbay,) Totnes, and South West Devon) My Devon ended up fairly similar to yours. /photo/1 Main difference was, I rejigged the Plymouth seats: Plymouth Devonport 70255: Stoke, Devenport, Peverell, Ham, St Budeaux, Eggbuckland, Honicknowle Plymouth Sutton 72064: St Peter, Sutton, Drake, Compton, Efford, Plymstock 2; Wembury Plympton and Ivybridge 71647: Budshead, Southway, Moor View, Plympton 3 ; Bickleigh, Woolwell, Newton, Ivybridge 2 Disliked crossing the Plymouth / South Hams border twice, but the numbers are so tight with Plymouth wards having 10k that there's little leeway unless you split wards. Names of my ones could be improved, too. |
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Post by loderingo on Jan 16, 2021 23:51:58 GMT
Devon, Somerset and Wilts I have grouped the three counties with N Somerset and NE Somerset. In Devon, Plymouth, South hams and Torbay can continue to be grouped for 5 seats East Devon and Exeter can get 3 seats with a small top up from Mid Devon West Devon and Teignbridge can be grouped for 2 seats The rest of Devon can be grouped with Taunton and W Somerset and also S Somerset for 6 seats The rest of Somerset + N Somerset, BANES and Wiltshire can then be grouped for 14 imgur.com/WQYZqgcimgur.com/FaUNzhYimgur.com/Bx3XgBQ |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 17, 2021 6:43:11 GMT
Devon, Somerset and Wilts I have grouped the three counties with N Somerset and NE Somerset. The rest of Devon can be grouped with Taunton and W Somerset and also S Somerset for 6 seats The rest of Somerset + N Somerset, BANES and Wiltshire can then be grouped for 14 imgur.com/FaUNzhYimgur.com/Bx3XgBQ I really must get to the only remaining hardware store on my high street before 16:00 today in order to purchase a pitchfork... |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 17, 2021 7:34:52 GMT
Devon, Somerset and Wilts I have grouped the three counties with N Somerset and NE Somerset. The rest of Devon can be grouped with Taunton and W Somerset and also S Somerset for 6 seats The rest of Somerset + N Somerset, BANES and Wiltshire can then be grouped for 14 imgur.com/FaUNzhYimgur.com/Bx3XgBQI really must get to the only remaining hardware store on my high street before 16:00 today in order to purchase a pitchfork... You have an open hardware store? On a high street? What sort of parallel universe are you living in? |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 17, 2021 9:14:06 GMT
I really must get to the only remaining hardware store on my high street before 16:00 today in order to purchase a pitchfork... You have an open hardware store? On a high street? What sort of parallel universe are you living in? Fair point. Bloomin' lockdown! On a serious point, Somerset can be treated alone, but if one insists on dragging it into Wiltshire's mess, I don't think taking in southern BANES and the entire eastern half of Mendip is the best way to do it. The knock-on effect seems to be to have separated Backwell from Nailsea (and therefore a railway station from the town it serves) and put it in a seat that stretches all the way over to Freshford. And there's absolutely no need for a cross-border seat with Devon since that county can stand alone too. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 17, 2021 11:00:58 GMT
Is there any mileage in this take on Bristol?  Bristol N 74233 Bristol SW 76743 Bristol SE 69911 Bristol NE 73491 Bristol NW 75091 Kingswood 71994 The Bristol SE others have proposed is a little awkward, so I thought I'd look at crossing the Avon nearer the centre. Bedminster and Southville do feel like a natural fit with the city centre, though that isn't true of Bishopsworth. However, I don't know Bristol particularly well, so my surface impressions may be mistaken. It does also feel that with 5 constituencies, Bristol is getting towards the point that seat names might be better than compass points. |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 17, 2021 11:17:13 GMT
Is there any mileage in this take on Bristol? Bristol N 74233 Bristol SW 76743 Bristol SE 69911 Bristol NE 73491 Bristol NW 75091 Kingswood 71994 The Bristol SE others have proposed is a little awkward, so I thought I'd look at crossing the Avon nearer the centre. Bedminster and Southville do feel like a natural fit with the city centre, though that isn't true of Bishopsworth. However, I don't know Bristol particularly well, so my surface impressions may be mistaken. It does also feel that with 5 constituencies, Bristol is getting towards the point that seat names might be better than compass points. Crossing the Avon there wouldn’t be too bad and Bedminster and Southville certainly fit with the areas on the other side of the river as inner city. The problem, as you have identified would be Bishopsworth and Hartcliffe going into that seat- they are across Ashton Vale and feel more edge of city. Would it work numbers wise if you put Windmill Hill and Knowle in your SW seat and swap them with Bishopworth and Hartcliffe as they seem a much better fit? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 17, 2021 11:58:20 GMT
Yes, that works - my hesitance in doing that initially was that I have a sneaking suspicion that keeping Knowle ward and the Knowle West estate together is likely to be something the BCE prioritises based solely off the names alone.
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Post by andrewp on Jan 17, 2021 12:04:38 GMT
Yes, that works - my hesitance in doing that initially was that I have a sneaking suspicion that keeping Knowle ward and the Knowle West estate together is likely to be something the BCE prioritises based solely off the names alone. They probably will! But that would be a better option I think. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 17, 2021 12:13:41 GMT
A slightly more left-field option:
Bristol NW 75091 - loses Lockleaze, gains Filton
Bristol N 73443 - name notwithstanding, the successor to Central, from which it takes Ashley, Bishopston, Clifton, Clifton Down, Cotham and Redlands. Adds Lockleaze and Filton
Bristol Central 73348 - new seat. Central, Easton, Hotwells and Laurence hill from the current Central, Southville and Bedminster from South, Brislington from East
Bristol S 74096 - loses Southville and Bedminster, gains Stockwood
Bristol E - loses Brislington and Stockwood, gains Frenchay, Staple Hill and Stockwood
Kingswood 71994 - gains Boyd Valley
On the one hand, the Avon is crossed in two separate places and Brislington is a bit of an odd fit. On the other hand, it's still only one constituency crossing the river and it allows a rather neat South.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 17, 2021 12:15:19 GMT
Yes, that works - my hesitance in doing that initially was that I have a sneaking suspicion that keeping Knowle ward and the Knowle West estate together is likely to be something the BCE prioritises based solely off the names alone. They probably will! But that would be a better option I think. All that would mean for my plan for Bristol/Gloucestershire would be including Windmill Hill in Bristol South East (and Windmill Hill was in the old Bristol South East seat) instead of Knowle, which works out fine. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 17, 2021 16:10:36 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on Camborne and Redruth, but if you're agreeing Helston should go with Penzance, what's the justification for the Lizard being in a different seat? It's much easier to get from the Lizard to Helston than it is to get from the Lizard to Falmouth. Easier maybe, but after living in the area, it feels like the Lizard is more in Falmouth's sphere of influence than St Ives/Penzance. Which is why I had Falmouth, Helston and the Lizard in one constituency together. Looking forward to seeing the new electorates in any case! The Lizard is very much within the 'sphere of influence' of Newlyn, Penzance, St. Ives and has little to do with Falmouth. The buses, taxis and rail connections are all Penzance, St Erth and Camborne/Redruth. What possible reason would there be to go to Falmouth? |
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Post by john07 on Jan 17, 2021 16:31:10 GMT
I really must get to the only remaining hardware store on my high street before 16:00 today in order to purchase a pitchfork... You have an open hardware store? On a high street? What sort of parallel universe are you living in? We have one in Edinburgh on Morningside Road just past Waitrose. It's called Houseproud of Morningside. The business appears to be thriving in the lockdown. |
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Post by WJ on Jan 17, 2021 17:32:43 GMT
Easier maybe, but after living in the area, it feels like the Lizard is more in Falmouth's sphere of influence than St Ives/Penzance. Which is why I had Falmouth, Helston and the Lizard in one constituency together. Looking forward to seeing the new electorates in any case! The Lizard is very much within the 'sphere of influence' of Newlyn, Penzance, St. Ives and has little to do with Falmouth. The buses, taxis and rail connections are all Penzance, St Erth and Camborne/Redruth. What possible reason would there be to go to Falmouth? It's hard to understate how big the changes have been in the Falmouth bay area. Falmouth/Penryn are growing quite a bit, in part due to the expansion of the Universities. As a result, it's becoming commuter land for Falmouth, especially the Helford area. Plenty of buses between Helston and Falmouth. |
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Post by YL on Jan 17, 2021 17:41:37 GMT
My Devon ended up fairly similar to yours. /photo/1 Main difference was, I rejigged the Plymouth seats: Plymouth Devonport 70255: Stoke, Devenport, Peverell, Ham, St Budeaux, Eggbuckland, Honicknowle Plymouth Sutton 72064: St Peter, Sutton, Drake, Compton, Efford, Plymstock 2; Wembury Plympton and Ivybridge 71647: Budshead, Southway, Moor View, Plympton 3 ; Bickleigh, Woolwell, Newton, Ivybridge 2 Disliked crossing the Plymouth / South Hams border twice, but the numbers are so tight with Plymouth wards having 10k that there's little leeway unless you split wards. Names of my ones could be improved, too. Yes, it looks like the 13 seat Devon options so far are all fairly similar. My version (earlier in the thread) didn't cross the Plymouth boundary twice but the resulting "Plymouth North & Yealm" is not the prettiest seat. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 17, 2021 20:07:45 GMT
You have an open hardware store? On a high street? What sort of parallel universe are you living in? We have one in Edinburgh on Morningside Road just past Waitrose. It's called Houseproud of Morningside. The business appears to be thriving in the lockdown. Ah, that parallel universe |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 17, 2021 20:51:46 GMT
I really must get to the only remaining hardware store on my high street before 16:00 today in order to purchase a pitchfork... You have an open hardware store? On a high street? What sort of parallel universe are you living in? I believe the Nantwich hardware store is open#, though in Pillory Street* rather than High Street. # As in will probably be open tomorrow, not that it's open at 20.51 on a Sunday evening. * Yes, there is still a pillory in Pillory Street. By the way, does anyone know if Julia Goldsworthy (former MP in Cornwall) is related to the Goldsworthy family who have a long-established hardware store in Liskeard? |
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Post by froome on Jan 17, 2021 21:31:26 GMT
We have one in Edinburgh on Morningside Road just past Waitrose. It's called Houseproud of Morningside. The business appears to be thriving in the lockdown. Ah, that parallel universe We probably have several open here in Bath. Certainly the one most local to me, on our local shopping street, has been open since the first lockdown finished, and always has a long queue on the pavement waiting to give them their custom. |
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Post by islington on Jan 17, 2021 22:30:00 GMT
My Devon ended up fairly similar to yours. /photo/1 Main difference was, I rejigged the Plymouth seats: Plymouth Devonport 70255: Stoke, Devenport, Peverell, Ham, St Budeaux, Eggbuckland, Honicknowle Plymouth Sutton 72064: St Peter, Sutton, Drake, Compton, Efford, Plymstock 2; Wembury Plympton and Ivybridge 71647: Budshead, Southway, Moor View, Plympton 3 ; Bickleigh, Woolwell, Newton, Ivybridge 2 Disliked crossing the Plymouth / South Hams border twice, but the numbers are so tight with Plymouth wards having 10k that there's little leeway unless you split wards. Names of my ones could be improved, too. Yes, it looks like the 13 seat Devon options so far are all fairly similar. My version (earlier in the thread) didn't cross the Plymouth boundary twice but the resulting "Plymouth North & Yealm" is not the prettiest seat. Yes, I've had a crack at this as well - very similar to others posted upthread, the main difference being that it involves a Tavistock-to-Bideford W Devon seat, meaning that C Devon does not have to cross Dartmoor.
It's late, but I'll try to post it tomorrow.
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Post by maxque on Jan 17, 2021 23:16:26 GMT
Ah, that parallel universe We probably have several open here in Bath. Certainly the one most local to me, on our local shopping street, has been open since the first lockdown finished, and always has a long queue on the pavement waiting to give them their custom. I work in an hardware store and it's busier than usual ever since the whole thing began, by quite a margin. |
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