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Post by YL on Jul 16, 2021 6:44:03 GMT
Bristol North West - Henbury and Brentry, Southmead, Lockleaze, Horfield, Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze, Bishopston and Ashley Down. Bristol West - Stoke Bishop, Clifton, Clifton Down, Redland, Cotham, Ashley (Split Ward), Central, and Hotwells and Harbourside. Bristol South - Hengrove and Whitchurch Park, Hartcliffe and Withywood, Bishopsworth, Bedminster, Southville, Windmill Hill. Bristol East - Knowle, Stockwood, Brislington West, Brislington East, Lawrence Hill, Easton, St George West, St George Central, St George Troopers Hill. Bristol North East - Eastville, Frome Vale, Hillfields, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield, New Cheltenham, Kingswood, Woodstock, Frenchay and Downend. I can’t understand why Stoke Bishop was ever removed from Bristol West. Was always in Bristol West in the 1980s and 1990s. Welcome to the forum. How are you splitting Ashley: the St Werburgh's area in Bristol East? I don't think Stoke Bishop was always in West before 2010: I think it was in North West from the creation of that constituency in 1950 until 1983, when North West was extended into what is now South Gloucestershire. E.g. see www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/bc_reports_1900s/Gloucestershire_1967(which I think is the existing boundaries at the time, i.e. those drawn in 1955). NB that map shows a crazy -- though I think electorally irrelevant -- boundary for Bristol South, which included the city's extension into the Bristol Channel, connected to the rest of the seat by a strip along the Avon. Anyway, I've made my submission for this region, with one seat (Bristol North East) crossing ceremonial county boundaries. European Lefty might like to know that my Stroud seat includes Cam and Dursley. (It's the district without Kingswood, Wotton under Edge and the three wards along the Severn.)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 25, 2021 10:50:24 GMT
In Swindon Covingham & Dorcan would need to be carefully divided (unfortunately I don't have figures) with basically Covingham staying in North and Dorcan in South, with the boundary being fixed wherever necessary to make those numbers work. There's a useful parish boundary here. As far as I can tell the polling districts CDB (electorate 1993) and CDE (electorate 1583) are in Nythe, Eldene & Liden CP while the rest of the ward is in either Covingham CP or Stratton St Margaret CP. Putting CDB and CDE in South (where CDE already is) gives South 75953, North 76900. Where are you getting these electorate figures from please? Are these parliamentary electorates or local?
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Post by YL on Jul 25, 2021 12:23:20 GMT
There's a useful parish boundary here. As far as I can tell the polling districts CDB (electorate 1993) and CDE (electorate 1583) are in Nythe, Eldene & Liden CP while the rest of the ward is in either Covingham CP or Stratton St Margaret CP. Putting CDB and CDE in South (where CDE already is) gives South 75953, North 76900. Where are you getting these electorate figures from please? Are these parliamentary electorates or local? From the spreadsheet with polling district figures for most authorities the BCE produced, first on the list of "England-wide downloads" on this page. CDA 1523 CDB 1993 CDC 2771 CDD 443 and further down the list (I assume because it's already in South) CDE 1583 My conclusions about which polling district was which bit of the ward came from the locations of the polling stations as described by islington.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 25, 2021 13:58:53 GMT
Thanks - I think I should have known this. Perhaps I did but had forgotten. Presumably they don't have the equivalent figures for the Wiltshire PDs because of the newness of the wards there.
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Post by islington on Jul 25, 2021 15:00:50 GMT
Bristol North West - Henbury and Brentry, Southmead, Lockleaze, Horfield, Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze, Bishopston and Ashley Down. Bristol West - Stoke Bishop, Clifton, Clifton Down, Redland, Cotham, Ashley (Split Ward), Central, and Hotwells and Harbourside. Bristol South - Hengrove and Whitchurch Park, Hartcliffe and Withywood, Bishopsworth, Bedminster, Southville, Windmill Hill. Bristol East - Knowle, Stockwood, Brislington West, Brislington East, Lawrence Hill, Easton, St George West, St George Central, St George Troopers Hill. Bristol North East - Eastville, Frome Vale, Hillfields, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield, New Cheltenham, Kingswood, Woodstock, Frenchay and Downend. I can’t understand why Stoke Bishop was ever removed from Bristol West. Was always in Bristol West in the 1980s and 1990s. Welcome to the forum. How are you splitting Ashley: the St Werburgh's area in Bristol East? I don't think Stoke Bishop was always in West before 2010: I think it was in North West from the creation of that constituency in 1950 until 1983, when North West was extended into what is now South Gloucestershire. E.g. see www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/bc_reports_1900s/Gloucestershire_1967(which I think is the existing boundaries at the time, i.e. those drawn in 1955). NB that map shows a crazy -- though I think electorally irrelevant -- boundary for Bristol South, which included the city's extension into the Bristol Channel, connected to the rest of the seat by a strip along the Avon. Anyway, I've made my submission for this region, with one seat (Bristol North East) crossing ceremonial county boundaries. European Lefty might like to know that my Stroud seat includes Cam and Dursley. (It's the district without Kingswood, Wotton under Edge and the three wards along the Severn.) Pete, does that mean you're not proposing Deverset?
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 25, 2021 15:06:57 GMT
Bristol North West - Henbury and Brentry, Southmead, Lockleaze, Horfield, Westbury-on-Trym and Henleaze, Bishopston and Ashley Down. Bristol West - Stoke Bishop, Clifton, Clifton Down, Redland, Cotham, Ashley (Split Ward), Central, and Hotwells and Harbourside. Bristol South - Hengrove and Whitchurch Park, Hartcliffe and Withywood, Bishopsworth, Bedminster, Southville, Windmill Hill. Bristol East - Knowle, Stockwood, Brislington West, Brislington East, Lawrence Hill, Easton, St George West, St George Central, St George Troopers Hill. Bristol North East - Eastville, Frome Vale, Hillfields, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield, New Cheltenham, Kingswood, Woodstock, Frenchay and Downend. I can’t understand why Stoke Bishop was ever removed from Bristol West. Was always in Bristol West in the 1980s and 1990s. Unlike the city centre, and also Clifton and Cotham, Stoke Bishop is not an "integral part" of Bristol West, soon to become Bristol Central. Although with the increasing student population and the building of halls of residence further out, might Stoke Bishop have more of a connection now than in the 60s and 70s?
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Post by islington on Jul 28, 2021 16:34:17 GMT
South West now submitted: BCE 72050.
I'm really impressed by the way BCE ensures the reference numbers are within the permitted electoral range.
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Post by YL on Jul 28, 2021 18:43:51 GMT
South West now submitted: BCE 72050. I'm really impressed by the way BCE ensures the reference numbers are within the permitted electoral range. I wonder whether I'll get my NW submission in time for it not to go over the upper limit. Given how much I still have to write and the current rate of submissions as suggested by the difference between your two today, I doubt it.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 28, 2021 18:44:56 GMT
South West now submitted: BCE 72050. I'm really impressed by the way BCE ensures the reference numbers are within the permitted electoral range. I wonder whether I'll get my NW submission in time for it not to go over the upper limit. Given how much I still have to write and the current rate of submissions as suggested by the difference between your two today, I doubt it. Come on YL you can do it!
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Post by pepperminttea on Jul 29, 2021 21:37:59 GMT
This is just for fun, not for submission, but I thought Pete Whitehead and others might appreciate this 7-seat version of Wilts/Swindon with everything in range, no ward splits, and no town divided except Swindon.
Edited to add numbers -
Swindon North - 76077. Swindon South - 74342. This is exactly as per BCE, and easily the fewest electors. North Wiltshire - 75993. Or 'Malmesbury and Marlborough', possibly. Chippenham - 76439. Chippenham town is actually much better nested in this than in the current seat. West Wiltshire - 76638. Devizes - 77057. Only 5 short of the maximum, and a creation of real beauty. Salisbury - 76968. Or 'South Wiltshire'.
I'm actually perversely pleased with this, but I'll resist the temptation to submit it.
This is my go at Wiltshire with no ward splits. I don't think it's actually *that* bad. Devizes isn't great admittedly but the rest I'm pretty happy with:
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Post by islington on Jul 30, 2021 8:42:57 GMT
I like that. Swindon West - 76921 Swindon East - 75932 N Wilts - 76519 Chippenham - 76448 W Wilts - 76827 Devizes - 77011 Salisbury - 73856 Comparing the schemes, pepperminttea gets added points for keeping Cricklade out of Swindon but Devizes is probably even worse than my version (not much in it though) and I prefer my Chippenham.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 30, 2021 8:57:53 GMT
Those aren't the prettiest maps of Wiltshire, but I'd accept any of them at the moment because following the initial proposals, I'm determined that the Commission should see there is strong feeling in favour of continuing to treat Wiltshire separately from Gloucestershire (and ideally, Devon separately from Somerset too – though that might prove a tougher ask).
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Post by islington on Jul 30, 2021 9:00:53 GMT
Those aren't the prettiest maps of Wiltshire, but I'd accept any of them at the moment because following the initial proposals, I'm determined that the Commission should see there is strong feeling in favour of continuing to treat Wiltshire separately from Gloucestershire (and ideally, Devon separately from Somerset too – though that might prove a tougher ask). That in a nutshell is the gist of my submission for the region.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 30, 2021 9:04:57 GMT
Glad to hear it. Both of the constraints I have insisted upon do not, of course, preclude treating Gloucestershire and Somerset alongside each other (although I'd prefer to avoid anything like 'Kingswood & Keynsham' if possible) or more realistically, considering them together with Bristol.
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Post by islington on Jul 30, 2021 9:11:29 GMT
Glad to hear it. Both of the constraints I have insisted upon do not, of course, preclude treating Gloucestershire and Somerset alongside each other (although I'd prefer to avoid anything like 'Kingswood & Keynsham' if possible) or more realistically, considering them together with Bristol. Well, once you've got rid of 'Deverset' and 'Wilcestershire', you have Somerset (+ N Som and B&NES) = 9.96 and Glos (+ Bristol and S Glos) = 14.06 so there's no need for 'Gloucesterset' either.
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Post by YL on Jul 30, 2021 9:12:20 GMT
Glad to hear it. Both of the constraints I have insisted upon do not, of course, preclude treating Gloucestershire and Somerset alongside each other (although I'd prefer to avoid anything like 'Kingswood & Keynsham' if possible) or more realistically, considering them together with Bristol. My submission treats Gloucestershire and Bristol together and Wiltshire, Somerset and Devon (as ceremonial counties) each separately. I presume you have something for this region either submitted or close to submission.
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Post by islington on Jul 30, 2021 10:26:16 GMT
Actually, this isn't entirely crazy -
The Swindon seats as pepperminttea had them, W Wilts and Salisbury as I had them, plus -
N Wilts - 76596. (Or 'Chippenham')
Devizes - 75257. (Or 'Mid Wilts')
E Wilts - 75202. (Or 'Marlborough & Amesbury', possibly)
In fact the five non-Swindon seats could be given simple compass-point names of N, S, E, W and Mid, which would have a pleasing symmetry about it.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 30, 2021 10:27:02 GMT
I am going to submit my plan for Wiltshire (posted upthread) and for Gloucestershire/Bristol (again posted earlier and similar to other proposals). I am not particularly happy with the schemes I have come up with for separate Somersets and Devons nor for any scheme which creates a seat combining parts of those counties. I wonder how I should handle this as the Gloucestershire scheme (removing the link with Somerset) means that the BCE plan for Somerset could not stand so I feel I should offer some alternative rather than just telling them to deal with it or saying you cab use YL's or islington's plans for those areas..
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Post by islington on Jul 30, 2021 10:37:18 GMT
Well, Pete, it's 100% your call, obviously, but if it helps at all this is what I've submitted for Devon.
Enlargement of Plymouth -
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Post by islington on Jul 30, 2021 10:47:10 GMT
And here's Somerset -
The point of this particular arrangement, which I don't think I've posted here before, is that although an additional seat has to be accommodated in the form of 'South Somerset', it's done in such a way that each of other nine proposed seats draws a majority of its electors from one of the existing seats and can therefore be seen as its clear successor. In fact, all the current names can be kept except that 'Somerton & Frome' changes to 'Frome & Glastonbury'.
Edited to add: Oh, and 'Taunton' loses 'Deane' in the interests of simplification and brevity.
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