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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2021 10:25:28 GMT
Obviously may not fly if you need to use bits of GM to fix Cheshire, but I've got a simple solution for Bury, Salford, Bolton and Wigan:
Bury North (75652) - gains Unsworth
Bury South (76935) - gains Darcy Lever & Little Lever
Salford (71567) - loses Eccles, Swinton and Swinton Park, gains Broughton and Kersal
Worsley & Eccles (76306) - gains Eccles, Swinton and Swinton Park, loses Walkden and Little Hulton)
Bolton South & Walkden (76199) - compared to Bolton SE, gains Walkden and Little Hulton, loses Darcy Lever & Little Lever and Great Lever
Bolton North East (76808) - gains Great Lever
Bolton West (73149) - unchanged
Wigan (75607) - unchanged
Makerfield (75069) - loses Hindley and Hindley Green, gains Lowton
Leigh (76747) - gains Hindley and Hindley Green, loses Lowton
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 8, 2021 11:16:33 GMT
  1 Penrith, Cockermouth and Solway 73014 Yes 2 Carlisle 75721 Yes 3 West Cumberland 75198 Yes 4 Furness and Ennerdale 72133 Yes 5 South Lakes 73558 Yes 6 Morecambe and Lunesdale 75985 Yes 7 Lancaster and Wyre 75568 Yes Some of those are just a tad sub-optimal! |
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Post by ricmk on Jan 8, 2021 11:26:06 GMT
I also had a good go at Cheshire last night, and ran into the same problems you did. So few options on the Wirral (but I did come up with something that worked well in its own right with none of the Ellesmere Port splitting on the thread so far) but the constituency sizes were at the high end so I simply couldn't make the rest of Cheshire constituencies small enough to fit all the others in. So I do think we should look at taking a Wigan ward or two if that will help GM as well. Would be a shame to take a Bramhall ward when Stockport works out so cleanly in this review.
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Post by ricmk on Jan 8, 2021 11:38:11 GMT
In fact adding the Lowton wards in works nicely:  Mid Wirral isn't going to win any awards but there's little flexibility as you need 2 constituencies of 7 smaller wards and one of 6 larger ones with little wriggle room. Ellesmere Port and Chester are clean (as long as you can live with Great Boughton moving to the rural seat) Warrington is the area I know least well so this may not be the perfect arrangement so keen to hear better ideas there in particular. Quite new to this - so I'm sure you'll tear me apart, just the same  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 11:51:26 GMT
No its a good plan - much better than anything I came up with, especially with mess I made of Ellesmere Port. I love that Mersey Banks is now regarded as an established constituency name  (I'd call your Tatton seat Knutsford but that's just personal taste) |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 8, 2021 12:25:37 GMT
I thought I'd try seeing if a solution that respects local government boundaries more in Cheshire existed. It's not pretty:  Wallasey and Birkenhead 75320 Yes Wirral West 76312 Yes Wirral South 69819 Yes Ellesmere Port 71027 Yes City of Chester 72327 Yes Eddisbury 75289 Yes Northwich 75770 Yes Crewe and Nantwich 75731 Yes Sandbach 76869 Yes Macclesfield and Congleton 77005 Yes Wilmslow 72072 Yes Runcorn and Warrington South 75722 Yes Widnes and Warrington West 72406 Yes Warrington Central 76744 Yes COMBINE NORTHWARD 29681 -40043 (might make Wigan and Lancashire/Cumbria easier?) |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2021 14:12:54 GMT
Given that both Cheshire & Wirral and Lancashire & Cumbria are an awkward size, is it worth chucking St Helens in with them are reviewing them all as a group?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 14:22:50 GMT
Given that both Cheshire & Wirral and Lancashire & Cumbria are an awkward size, is it worth chucking St Helens in with them are reviewing them all as a group? That's going to cause problems in Northern Merseyside which otherwise works well |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2021 15:27:04 GMT
Given that both Cheshire & Wirral and Lancashire & Cumbria are an awkward size, is it worth chucking St Helens in with them are reviewing them all as a group? That's going to cause problems in Northern Merseyside which otherwise works well I think that can be avoided, actually, as you only need to use St Helens North - St Helens South can go with Merseyside. I'm still fiddling with the Cheshire seats to get the best possible arrangement, but I've run up a map that works very nicely - the secret is to put Newton-le-Willows in with Warrington, the rural wards round Skem in with St Helens North and that gives you the leeway to make everything else work. I used ricmk's arrangement for Wirral, so it's not lovely round Chester, but elsewhere there is a lot of freedom to tweak things to produce sensible seats. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 15:38:35 GMT
1 Penrith, Cockermouth and Solway 73014 Yes 2 Carlisle 75721 Yes 3 West Cumberland 75198 Yes 4 Furness and Ennerdale 72133 Yes 5 South Lakes 73558 Yes 6 Morecambe and Lunesdale 75985 Yes 7 Lancaster and Wyre 75568 Yes Some of those are just a tad sub-optimal! If it works I would favour a Whitehaven/Workington/Maryport seat and a seat that combines the rural parts of Cope land and Allerdale districts. Barrow stays more or less as is and most of Morecambe/Lunesdale goes into a Morecambe Bay seat |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 15:58:09 GMT
Is the problem with Lancashire not that you are trying to squeeze 20 seats into a space which has the electorate for 20.5 (Lancashire and Cumbria)? Surely we need to accept a constituency which crosses the boundary between Lancashire and Greater Manchester (of which there must be plenty of good options). I have come up with 20 perfectly good seats in Lancashire and Cumbria but will need to leave out Skelmersdale - can't see a problem with this linking with one of the Wigan seats
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2021 16:02:14 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 16:16:16 GMT
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 8, 2021 16:18:12 GMT
Pete Whitehead's Lancashire and my Cheshire are really crying out to bisect St Helens North.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 8, 2021 16:21:11 GMT
You can squeeze 20 seats into the area though..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 16:45:30 GMT
This is horrendous but I just kept playing around.  |
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Post by ricmk on Jan 8, 2021 17:44:02 GMT
As my previous attempt wasn't shot down, I thought I'd check to see if Cheshire works if you only take in *one* Wigan ward - as from the rest of the discussion that might be more useful to addressing issues in Leigh, and good to know if the option is there. Can be done, but not entirely painlessly. Involves changes to 5 wards, by my numbering: 1 - Warrington North 2 - Warrington South. Both look OK from my limited knowledge of Warrington 5 - Crewe loses Nantwich and gains a couple of rural wards to compensate. This seat on its own right is probably still OK. 9 - Now a more conventional Weaver Vale, although there's an orphan ward from Warrington. 15 - less said about this one the better. Nantwich, Chester suburbs, and the Mersey. The other 10 unchanged.  |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 8, 2021 17:49:26 GMT
ricmk, "LEFTOVERS" is conventionally spelt "EDDISBURY".
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 8, 2021 22:07:34 GMT
No its a good plan - much better than anything I came up with, especially with mess I made of Ellesmere Port. I love that Mersey Banks is now regarded as an established constituency name (I'd call your Tatton seat Knutsford but that's just personal taste) Nah, I'd call it Ship Canal West... 😁 |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 8, 2021 22:27:13 GMT
ricmk, "LEFTOVERS" is conventionally spelt "EDDISBURY". Or ‘Mid-‘. |
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