2023 Review - Yorkshire and the Humber

[ilerda]

Having the cross-border North and West Yorkshire seat based around Wetherby actually makes quite a lot of sense if you can get over the fact it will cross quite a few council boundaries.

It would sort of be a recreation of the old Barkston Ash seat, based on the corridor between the River Wharfe and the A1M.

[Richard Gadsden]

Calderdale having 17 wards makes a two-seat Calderdale without crossing boundaries impossible - the nine-ward seat (Calderdale at present) has to contain all the smaller wards, but they don't connect up. The closest I can get for a contiguous series of wards still has the larger seat over by 449 (243 on Boundary Assistant which still has the December 2019 data) - and that's clearly not an acceptable set of boundaries:

So it's either split a ward, or cross the boundary.

[Richard Gadsden]

There are several options for splitting a ward that is currently in Calderdale and adding the part to the Halifax seat. One would be to put Sowerby (in Ryburn Ward) into Halifax (Sowerby Bridge already is). Another would be Hipperholme (splitting the Hipperholme and Lightcliffe ward between Hipperholme in Halifax and Lightcliffe in Calderdale). A third would be to put the Ludden/Luddendenfoot bits of Luddendenfoot ward into Halifax and keep the Mytholmroyd/Cragg Vale bits in Calderdale.

[hullenedge]

Jan 6, 2021 15:59:40 GMT Richard Gadsden said:

There are several options for splitting a ward that is currently in Calderdale and adding the part to the Halifax seat. One would be to put Sowerby (in Ryburn Ward) into Halifax (Sowerby Bridge already is). Another would be Hipperholme (splitting the Hipperholme and Lightcliffe ward between Hipperholme in Halifax and Lightcliffe in Calderdale). A third would be to put the Ludden/Luddendenfoot bits of Luddendenfoot ward into Halifax and keep the Mytholmroyd/Cragg Vale bits in Calderdale.

Wainstalls and Luddenden could easily slot back into Halifax. Midgley as well to balance the numbers.

[edgbaston]

For the last 3 reviews the sensible solution has been splitting a ward in Calderdale on the western fringe of Halifax Town.. I’m holding my breath...

[ilerda]

It may have been a dream, but I do seem to recall the BCE indicating during the public bill committee hearings that they were going to be more inclined towards ward splitting in this review than in previous ones. Hopefully I was actually awake and they will follow through on that this time.

[🏴‍☠️ Neath West 🏴‍☠️]

The best solution for Calderdale would be to instruct the Local Government Commission to draw new boundaries using 1- and 2-member divisions.

[YL]

Here is an attempt at 9 constituencies for the Rotherham/Doncaster/N Lincs/NE Lincs combination.



1. Thorne & Axholme (70,113). At least this is fairly compact; the arithmetic of the Doncaster ward sizes means this is the obvious grouping of them.

2. Wentworth & Conisbrough (73,385). Unfortunately there's still a bit of "greater Wickersley" in this, but most of it's now in Rother Valley. NB in Rotherham the map is approximate as far as the new wards are concerned.

3. Doncaster Central (73,457). Realigned to new ward boundaries.

4. Doncaster North & Tickhill (70,176). I don't like the southern extension much, but the arithmetic is a bit awkward and it allowed Doncaster Central to have minimal changes.

5. Rotherham (70,135). Unites the core of Rotherham in one seat.

6. Rother Valley (75,394). The northern border is still a bit awkward, especially around Bramley, but that's not new.

7. Scunthorpe (74,278).

8. Brigg & Immingham (71,628). Or whatever you want to call it.

9. Grimsby & Cleethorpes (77,050). Just creeps in under the upper limit with Scartho excluded. As usual the annoying regional boundary prevents separate seats for the two.

[Pete Whitehead]

[edgbaston]

First go without ward splits.

South Yorkshire: imgur.com/g89LpjS
1 Sheffield North & Penistone 76972 
2 Sheffield Hillsborough 76346 
3 Sheffield Ecclesall 70419 
4 Sheffield Heeley 70028 
5 Sheffield Brightside 69725 
6 Sheffield South East 73993 
7 Rother Valley 76980 
8 Rotherham 70135 
9 Wentworth 69848 
10 Barnsley East 72866 
11 Barnsley Central 72987 
12 Don Valley 71432 
13 Doncaster Central 74509 
14 Doncaster North 73067 


West Yorkshire: imgur.com/yzYyFoJ
15 Pontefract 76213 
16 Normanton & Castleford 74308 
17 Wakefield 70396 
18 Wakefield South & Kirkburton 75424 
19 Dewsbury 70302 
20 Colne Valley 71518 
21 Huddersfield 73941 
22 Batley & Ardsley 70485 
23 Morley & Rothwell 70974 
24 Leeds North West 72830 
25 Leeds West & Tong 76998 
26 Pudsey 72667 
27 Leeds South East 73326 
28 Leeds North East 70976 
29 Leeds Central 75238 
30 Elmet & Ainsty 76944 
31 Calder Valley 70435 
32 Halifax 71726 
33 Bradford South & Cleckheaton 70711 
34 Bradford West 71258 
35 Shipley 74095 
36 Bradford East 73721 
37 Keighley 75894 

North Yorkshire: imgur.com/EWVUF2D
38 Skipton & Ripon 76176 
39 Richmond 75311 
40 Selby 75800 
41 York West 72686 
42 York East 74888 
43 Thirsk & Malton 76664 
44 Scarborough & Whitby 75494 

East Yorkshire: imgur.com/dnyHA9O
45 Bridlington 71743 
46 Selby & Pocklington 72932 Y
47 Beverley & Holderness 71102 
48 Hull East 72484 Yes

49 Hull North 76177 
50 Hull West & Hessle 74321 
51 Scunthorpe 76526 
52 Goole 72176 
53 Brigg 75283 
54 Great Grimsby 77050 

(hopefully those links work, for some reason proboards won't let me upload as an attachment)

[edgbaston]

An alternative for Yorkshire with no ward splits. This time South Yorkshire bridged at Axholme not Hemsworth, and compromises made in Bradford to keep 6 seats entirely within Leeds.



SY: imgur.com/3BAn7Gc


1 Sheffield North & Penistone 70419 
2 Sheffield Hillsborough 76346 
3 Sheffield Ecclesall 76972 
4 Sheffield Heeley 70028 
5 Sheffield Brightside 69725 
6 Sheffield South East 73993 
7 Rother Valley 76980 
8 Rotherham 70135 Yes

9 Wentworth & Dearne 71444 
10 Barnsley East 70971 
11 Barnsley Central 72809 
12 Don Valley 72500 
13 Doncaster Central 73457
14 Doncaster West 73593 

WY: imgur.com/0TrNzzz

15 Pontefract & Castleford 75158 
16 Hemsworth 75388 
17 Wakefield 70396 
18  Kirkburton & Horbury 75424 
19 Dewsbury 70302 
20 Colne Valley 71518 
21 Huddersfield 73941 
22 Batley & Cleckheaton 75243
23 Halifax 75478 
24 Calder Valley 70118 
25 Leeds South & Tong 76499 
26 Leeds North West 71729 
27 Morley 72457 
28 Leeds Central 74562 
29 Pudsey 70270 
30 Leeds North East 69727 
31 Leeds East 69996 
32 Elmet & Rothwell 75228 
33 Bradford South East 70304 
34 Shipley 72060 
35 Bradford West 70533 
36 Keighley 76996 


NY: imgur.com/IsTi3X0


37 Skipton 70451 
38 Ripon & Ilkley 74970 
39 Richmond 75311 
40 Selby & Wetherby 75268 
41 York West 72686 
42 York East 74888 
43 Harrogate & Knaresborough 76328 
44 Scarborough & Whitby 76738 
46 Vale of York 74805 

EY: imgur.com/xaa49v3

45 Bridlington 76366 Yes

47 Beverley & Holderness 71102 
48 Hull East 72484 
49 Hull North 76177 
50 Hull West & Hessle 74321 
51 Scunthorpe 77059 
52 Goole 72514 
53 Brigg 75283 
54 Great Grimsby 77050 

[edgbaston]

It looks like just 3 clever ward splits (2 in Leeds and 1 in Kirklees) would dramatically improve the seats in this region. I really hope the commission have their heads screwed on.

[greenchristian]

Jan 8, 2021 0:24:48 GMT edgbaston said:

(hopefully those links work, for some reason proboards won't let me upload as an attachment)

You must have missed the announcement that the available filespace for attachments is close to its limit, so attachments have been limited to the moderation team.

[ilerda]

I haven't got a nice plan for Doncaster & Axholme yet, but here's an attempt at the Rotherham side of the sub-region that avoids Wickersley gore.

I'm not necessarily saying it's good for the rest of the borough, but it's interesting to see a plan that doesn't include a three-way Wickersley split.


1 Wentworth and Mexborough 72265 Yes
2 Rotherham 76890 Yes
3 Wickersley 69759 Yes

[islington]

Jan 7, 2021 8:28:05 GMT YL said:

Here is an attempt at 9 constituencies for the Rotherham/Doncaster/N Lincs/NE Lincs combination.



1. Thorne & Axholme (70,113). At least this is fairly compact; the arithmetic of the Doncaster ward sizes means this is the obvious grouping of them.

2. Wentworth & Conisbrough (73,385). Unfortunately there's still a bit of "greater Wickersley" in this, but most of it's now in Rother Valley. NB in Rotherham the map is approximate as far as the new wards are concerned.

3. Doncaster Central (73,457). Realigned to new ward boundaries.

4. Doncaster North & Tickhill (70,176). I don't like the southern extension much, but the arithmetic is a bit awkward and it allowed Doncaster Central to have minimal changes.

5. Rotherham (70,135). Unites the core of Rotherham in one seat.

6. Rother Valley (75,394). The northern border is still a bit awkward, especially around Bramley, but that's not new.

7. Scunthorpe (74,278).

8. Brigg & Immingham (71,628). Or whatever you want to call it.

9. Grimsby & Cleethorpes (77,050). Just creeps in under the upper limit with Scartho excluded. As usual the annoying regional boundary prevents separate seats for the two.

Nice plan (although I think you're showing the old wards in Rotherham).

You could switch the two wards south of the Don to Doncaster Central (which in this case would probably become Doncaster South) in exchange for Edenthorpe and Stainforth. This leaves the revised Doncaster N seat short on numbers so it has to be bolstered with an ophan ward from Barnsley (Dearne N is my suggestion). It's a shame to cross the Barnsley boundary but if you want a non-split Sheffield you're going to have to do this anyway because with the Penistone wards going in with Sheffield the rest of Barnsley is too big for two seats unless it loses at least one further ward.

So I've got -

Doncaster South 75395

Doncaster North 76406

Barnsley North 76794

Barnsley South 76324

Wentworth and Mexborough 72265

Rotherham 70810

Maltby (I think I'm calling it rather than Rother Valley) 70218

That leaves a 6-seat non-split Sheffield incorporating the Penistone wards from Barnsley and Rother Vale from Rotherham. It actually works out a lot better than in the 2018 review.

[YL]

Jan 9, 2021 14:03:26 GMT islington said:

Jan 7, 2021 8:28:05 GMT YL said:

Here is an attempt at 9 constituencies for the Rotherham/Doncaster/N Lincs/NE Lincs combination.

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Nice plan (although I think you're showing the old wards in Rotherham).

The map was made before the new wards were updated in Boundary Assistant, but the numbers are based on the new ones. At some point I'll update the map.

You could switch the two wards south of the Don to Doncaster Central (which in this case would probably become Doncaster South) in exchange for Edenthorpe and Stainforth. This leaves the revised Doncaster N seat short on numbers so it has to be bolstered with an ophan ward from Barnsley (Dearne N is my suggestion). It's a shame to cross the Barnsley boundary but if you want a non-split Sheffield you're going to have to do this anyway because with the Penistone wards going in with Sheffield the rest of Barnsley is too big for two seats unless it loses at least one further ward.

So I've got -

Doncaster South 75395

Doncaster North 76406

Barnsley North 76794

Barnsley South 76324

Wentworth and Mexborough 72265

Rotherham 70810

Maltby (I think I'm calling it rather than Rother Valley) 70218

That leaves a 6-seat non-split Sheffield incorporating the Penistone wards from Barnsley and Rother Vale from Rotherham. It actually works out a lot better than in the 2018 review.

This is what I have in Sheffield and (most of) Rotherham if you don't want to split a ward:


1. Sheffield Ecclesall (69,841). Makes a comeback after over 70 years, on a pretty good match to its old boundaries. I definitely prefer keeping Dore with Ecclesall if at all possible.
2. Sheffield Hallam (76,346). Loses Ecclesall and Dore & Totley, gains Walkley and Hillsborough. I'm minded to keep the name: Walkley was in the old Nether Hallam township and in the original Hallam from 1885, and Stannington is in the current seat, so it's only Hillsborough which is a bit left out. You could go for "Sheffield Hallam & Hillsborough" if you preferred.
3. Sheffield Heeley (70,606). Loses Richmond, gains City. City isn't a great fit here, but I think it's a better option than adding Dore & Totley.
4. Sheffield Brightside (69,725). Loses Southey and Hillsborough, gains Darnall and Manor Castle. Manor Castle moves from not really fitting in Central to not really fitting in Brightside.
5. Sheffield Mosborough & Catcliffe (73,993). The consequence of avoiding a split ward is adding Rother Vale from Rotherham. This isn't too bad as orphan wards go, though I'm not sure how well it would go down in Catcliffe and Treeton. I've decided to mention one of them in the name to pacify them...
6. Sheffield North & Penistone (76,972). Loses Dodworth, gains Southey. I'd have rather added Stannington, but the numbers don't work, so Southey gets extracted from Brightside, which is less than ideal. Name changed as Southey is very much "Sheffield proper".
7. Rotherham (70,135). Exactly as I had it before.
8. Rother Valley (76,980). This is actually a slight improvement, with Bramley & Ravenfield coming in meaning better boundaries around Wickersley. I can see why "Maltby" might be a better name but I think the changes are too minor to change such a long standing name.

This is definitely a lot better than non-split proposals in Sheffield in both zombie reviews. My biggest concern, though, is that Barnsley-Doncaster border crossing. The Dearne wards are a natural pair, and separating them automatically splits Goldthorpe as well as creating an orphan ward.

I tend to think the split option which allows Sheffield and Barnsley to be treated as a unit (with Richmond the split ward) is the best option, but it's not as clear cut as last time.

[David Ashforth]

Jan 10, 2021 16:11:47 GMT YL said:

2. Sheffield Hallam (76,346). Loses Ecclesall and Dore & Totley, gains Walkley and Hillsborough. I'm minded to keep the name: Walkley was in the old Nether Hallam township and in the original Hallam from 1885, and Stannington is in the current seat, so it's only Hillsborough which is a bit left out. You could go for "Sheffield Hallam & Hillsborough" if you preferred.

No, I don't prefer! But seriously, I like this. I don't think Hillsborough is really left out, being in the same constituency as Walkley and Stannington is a better fit than the current Brightside & Hillsborough.

6. Sheffield North & Penistone (76,972). Loses Dodworth, gains Southey. I'd have rather added Stannington, but the numbers don't work, so Southey gets extracted from Brightside, which is less than ideal. Name changed as Southey is very much "Sheffield proper".

I agree that it would be good to add Stannington here, would it be possible to split Stannington ward so the parished part is in a Sheffield North / Penistone / Stocksbridge constituency with the non-parished part in Hallam? Having all of Bradfield Parish Council in one constituency would make sense I think (of course it isn't currently) and having the non-parished part of Stannington ward in the same constituency as Hillsborough ward would also make sense. I'm guessing that the numbers wouldn't add up to make that possible.

[edgbaston]

YL the Rawmarsh compromise? imgur.com/a/rJrHTlq

[islington]

With due acknowledgment to edgbaston, here's another non-split W Yorks.

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There are a lot of infelicities and awkwardnesses here, and I couldn't get Wakefield S into the Wakefield seat (grrr...). But are there any absolute car crashes?

It's too late for me to type out names and electorates, but I promise everything is legal (and this comment also applies to the rest of N Yorks (not shown on map)).

Edited to add: And on looking again, obviously the Castleford and Hemsworth seats should swap the Pontefract wards for Normanton and Featherstone. And I'm looking with favour on a tweak in Leeds with Temple Newsam into Rothwell, Burmantofts into Leeds C, Gipton and Cross Gates into Leeds E, Roundhay and Alwoodley into Wetherby, and Moortown into Leeds N (i.e. all this results in a Leeds E seat comprising Chapel Allerton, Gipton, Killingbeck, Cross Gates).

[Merseymike]

Jan 10, 2021 20:44:45 GMT islington said:

With due acknowledgment to edgbaston, here's another non-split W Yorks.

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There are a lot of infelicities and awkwardnesses here, and I couldn't get Wakefield S into the Wakefield seat (grrr...). But are there any absolute car crashes?

It's too late for me to type out names and electorates, but I promise everything is legal (and this comment also applies to the rest of N Yorks (not shown on map)).

It's been in Hemsworth since 1997 so could be argued that it's reasonable to keep it there.