Khunanup
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Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 9, 2023 18:51:09 GMT
Unless someone can tell me otherwise, Electoral Calculus doesn't include other parties only the majority over another party. Is there a full set of notionals available yet? Indeed, the publicly available figures from Electoral Calculus only give the majority and who they think won each ward. I think they do have full notionals if you pay for them (which I don't...). He's really on the grift now these days isn't he... |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jul 9, 2023 19:17:19 GMT
If You click on the names, You get their notionals per ward plus sum. Seems to be the final boundaries. I asked ~2018 for all constituencies in EXCEL, but the owner (a Mr.Baxter?) demanded indeed money. Thus i typed them myself (painful work lasting 1.5 days). The issue is that they're based on estimated figures - there used to be actual 2019 notionals as well but he removed them. And if you go on too many seats, your IP gets blocked meaning you can't look at any more for the day. Oh, that must be new - as said, i was ~2018 able to type them alltogether. Yet, i used iirc several computers at university. Mr. Wells was so generous to send me them. As a conSequence i managed to compare both asSumptions. |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jul 9, 2023 20:42:31 GMT
Are there already notionals out? At Elec.Calculus? Anywhere else? Has the English BoundaryCommission not published summary-maps, so with all constituencies of a region on 1 page? No, but there's this: alasdairrae.github.io/wpc2023/#8/54.840/-3.356
It's a big map and it may take a few moments to load (and don't try it on a phone) but it's worth the wait. (Patience is a virtue.)
In the drop-down menu, untick 'current constituencies' and you are left with the new seats in all their glory, for the whole UK. A thing of beauty.
That's really helpful: The map shows old and new boundaries! |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 10, 2023 11:40:52 GMT
Are there already notionals out? At Elec.Calculus? Anywhere else? Has the English BoundaryCommission not published summary-maps, so with all constituencies of a region on 1 page? No, but there's this: alasdairrae.github.io/wpc2023/#8/54.840/-3.356It's a big map and it may take a few moments to load (and don't try it on a phone) but it's worth the wait. (Patience is a virtue.)
In the drop-down menu, untick 'current constituencies' and you are left with the new seats in all their glory, for the whole UK. A thing of beauty.
I notice (if you zoom in close enough) that Dorset South constituency has a detached exclave (the south-western pointy bit) because it's at the end of a long peninsula which is connected at the north-west end but not directly at the southern end. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jul 10, 2023 12:24:18 GMT
No, but there's this: alasdairrae.github.io/wpc2023/#8/54.840/-3.356It's a big map and it may take a few moments to load (and don't try it on a phone) but it's worth the wait. (Patience is a virtue.)
In the drop-down menu, untick 'current constituencies' and you are left with the new seats in all their glory, for the whole UK. A thing of beauty.
I notice (if you zoom in close enough) that Dorset South constituency has a detached exclave (the south-western pointy bit) because it's at the end of a long peninsula which is connected at the north-west end but not directly at the southern end. It's a bit of a stretch to call Portland a detached exclave though - the communications don't run along Chesil Beach (the tombolo you spotted) but instead run across Ferry Bridge and into Weymouth. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jul 10, 2023 13:09:40 GMT
I think it's an error in the map in any case - if you check the Ordnance Survey, the ward boundary is at the northern end of the bridge and the gap that shows on Alasdair Rae's map doesn't appear.
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Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 10, 2023 14:17:14 GMT
I think it's an error in the map in any case - if you check the Ordnance Survey, the ward boundary is at the northern end of the bridge and the gap that shows on Alasdair Rae's map doesn't appear. It's not in error, it's just a physical geography rather than political geography map, it's merely showing the physical land areas that are part of a seat (and bridges don't count). Anyway, by the reckoning of johnloony mainland Portsmouth is an exclave of Portsmouth North... |
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Max
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Post by Max on Jul 10, 2023 15:12:25 GMT
Is Lough Neagh covered by NI constituencies, or separated from them as shown on that map?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 10, 2023 15:22:45 GMT
There are boundaries delineated in Lough Neagh. I think the rule is all inland bodies of water and anywhere which is above the sea at low tide must be included, plus there are a few odd exceptions of open sea like the area between Flat Holm and Steep Holm.
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Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 10, 2023 16:56:34 GMT
Is anyone planning to calculate the notional figures for the new constituencies? I have done Wales using the indices published by Electoral Calculus, but have estimates that by the time I have done them all the Thrasher and Rallings numbers will have been published which will be the offical numbers, therefore there is no point. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 10, 2023 18:31:50 GMT
I think it's an error in the map in any case - if you check the Ordnance Survey, the ward boundary is at the northern end of the bridge and the gap that shows on Alasdair Rae's map doesn't appear. It's not in error, it's just a physical geography rather than political geography map, it's merely showing the physical land areas that are part of a seat (and bridges don't count). Anyway, by the reckoning of johnloony mainland Portsmouth is an exclave of Portsmouth North... Not quite, because an exclave is bit of land on the same bit of land as the main bit. It is possible to travel by land from the main bit to the exclave, but you need to travel through another constituency to do so. In the case of Portsmouth, part of it is on an island and part of it is on the mainland. |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jul 12, 2023 12:20:23 GMT
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Post by mattb on Jul 14, 2023 8:13:32 GMT
I can't see where to get this to show? (sorry probably missing something obvious) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 14, 2023 8:14:26 GMT
Probably just need to clear your browsing history.
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Post by mattb on Jul 14, 2023 8:34:40 GMT
Probably just need to clear your browsing history. thx ... thought I had tried that but obviously not - works now  |
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Post by islington on Jul 14, 2023 8:42:50 GMT
Marvellous. So anyone that doesn't like the Alisdair Rae map can now get a region-by-region map of the new boundaries by ticking the 'Final recommendations' button and unticking 'Wards'.  |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jul 14, 2023 10:48:12 GMT
Also worth taking a look at this from the House of Commons Library
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 19, 2023 23:37:27 GMT
I see from the Court Circular that His Majesty the King held a council yesterday at 4pm. This was the first opportunity to submit the new boundaries for adoption but it normally takes a couple of days for the papers to be published.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 20, 2023 16:29:26 GMT
I see from the Court Circular that His Majesty the King held a council yesterday at 4pm. This was the first opportunity to submit the new boundaries for adoption but it normally takes a couple of days for the papers to be published. Update: Not discussed on 19 July. Boundaries will have to wait for September. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 20, 2023 19:05:42 GMT
The Boundary Review maps andthe Boundaryassistant site - as noted above- are really useful and I will probably have a playaround with them over the weekend,hopefully.
However, does anyone know who (I presume the Boundary Commissions?) and when the official* 2019 notionals for the new constituencies will be calculated and published? I have spreadsheets that need prepping!
* that is, the ones that will be used on Election night by all the usual media outlets
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