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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Dec 28, 2020 20:51:04 GMT
Well yes, that's pretty much it.
To give a sample the Dundee Courier gives a report (25th March 1881) of the meeting of the Howe of Fife Ploughing Society. There were prizes for Best Ploughing, Best Finish, Best Feering, Best Kept Harness and Best Kept Horses. It was noted that "So equal were some of the competitors that no small amount of care had to be exercised by the judges". There's still at least one in operation in my neck of the woods, the Prickwillow Ploughing Festival, although it appears that for financial reasons it may not be returning after coronavirus. Another one near Reading in South Oxon, which will be returning I believe : www.henleystandard.co.uk/news/henley-on-thames/137499/agricultural-show-safe-despite-losses-made-by-organisers.html. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 28, 2020 20:57:37 GMT
That baffles me even more. Did they have judges scoring how straight and evenly deep the furrows were? If it was just the speed of ploughing it might be very slapdash - or just not digging the shares so deep. Well yes, that's pretty much it.
To give a sample the Dundee Courier gives a report (25th March 1881) of the meeting of the Howe of Fife Ploughing Society. There were prizes for Best Ploughing, Best Finish, Best Feering, Best Kept Harness and Best Kept Horses. It was noted that "So equal were some of the competitors that no small amount of care had to be exercised by the judges". One of my (former) parishes hosted a ploughing match - plus a hedge laying competition - a few years ago. There's even a website: www.cheshireploughing.org.ukNext event September 2021. 2019 & 2020 were both cancelled. Weather I suspect in '19; I think we all know why '20 didn't go ahead. |
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Post by Foggy on Dec 29, 2020 4:59:35 GMT
And the North East Lincolnshire part. The first time I heard the term 'Yorkshire and the Humber' used was when those words passed David Dimbleby's lips during the 1999 Euro elections coverage. I am surprised to find that, if what Defenestrated Fipplebox says is correct, its creation predates our entry into the EEC. By "North Lincolnshire" I did mean both the authorities of North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire, with the current county of Lincolnshire being "Mid and South Lincolnshire". Yes, I thought that's what you meant but if so, you should've used a lower case 'n' or put something like "northern Lincolnshire" because North Lincolnshire is the name of a local authority that only covers the north-west of the county. You can trace it all back to the 1966 Hull North by-election. Barbara Castle raised the prospect of a Humber Bridge during the campaign. The seat had been gained by Labour in the 1964 general election with a majority of 1,181. The seat was retained with a majority of 5,351. That encouraged Harold Wilson to go for a general election with a landslide win. The creation of Humberside and the Humber Bridge were integral to each other and both were seen to help create Humberside as a sub-region. This prospect was viewed positively in the East Riding but negatively in North Lincolnshire. This issue reappeared during the Great Grimsby by-election in 1977. The Conservatives play on this particularly with Labour candidate Austin Mitchell being born in Yorkshire and had worked for Yorkshire Television as a presenter. He carried out the famous interview with Don Revie and Brian Clough. This approach seems to have flopped in the by-election. Mitchell alleged that the Conservatives were importing election workers from Harrogate with instructions to play up the fact that Mitchell was a Yorkshireman. In the outcome Mitchell held the seat very much against the trends and polled more votes than Anthony Crosland in October 1974. Meanwhile Labour lost the far safer seat of Ashfield on the same day. The thought of Labour only beating the Tories by just over a thousand votes in Hull North is hard to fathom these days. Was it a bit posh back then? I wouldn't read too much into raw vote figures. By-elections can be strange beasts at the best of times, and in Hull the general election turnouts are so low already that winning a by-election there by a four-figure margin might well count as a landslide! |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 31, 2020 15:41:06 GMT
From what I have read the bridge did not create the hoped for economic growth. The problem with the Humber Bridge is that the road and motorway system developed as if it was not there (or under construction). Compare it to, say, the Forth Road Bridge. The Humber Bridge offered nothing in terms of non local travel to the area. No one from Grimsby or Immingham would use the Humber Bridge to travel North. Similarly no one from Hull would use the bridge to travel South. They would use the motorway system and go West to join the A1(M) or the M1. The Forth Bridge serves North-South long distance traffic between Aberdeen, Dundee, and Edinburgh, Newcastle, etc as well as commuter traffic from Fife to Edinburgh. I don’t think that the predicted economic integration between the North Bank and the South happened either. The tolls didn't help, because they discouraged a lot of journeys. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 31, 2020 18:57:41 GMT
The Forth Bridge had tolls as well until 2008.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 31, 2020 21:25:40 GMT
From what I have read the bridge did not create the hoped for economic growth. The problem with the Humber Bridge is that the road and motorway system developed as if it was not there (or under construction). Compare it to, say, the Forth Road Bridge. The Humber Bridge offered nothing in terms of non local travel to the area. No one from Grimsby or Immingham would use the Humber Bridge to travel North. Similarly no one from Hull would use the bridge to travel South. They would use the motorway system and go West to join the A1(M) or the M1. The Forth Bridge serves North-South long distance traffic between Aberdeen, Dundee, and Edinburgh, Newcastle, etc as well as commuter traffic from Fife to Edinburgh. I don’t think that the predicted economic integration between the North Bank and the South happened either. Added to that the M62 should continue further into Hull rather than dropping to APDC A63 (63??? I've been driving for two hours on the '62 and now it's the '63?  ) When I have work in Lincolnshire, the Humber Bridge is my route from Whitby - A169, B1248, A164, A15. |
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Post by hullenedge on Oct 19, 2021 8:39:03 GMT
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Post by ilerda on Oct 22, 2021 22:02:58 GMT
It seems a bit odd that they came up with county boundaries but not at least a rough outline of what the districts below would be made up of in the non-met counties. Deciding that a small town should move counties must surely be based on some idea of a larger post-74 district it would likely form part of? Or am I foolish for thinking civil servants might be able to think that logically?
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