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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 9:31:17 GMT
I didn't think you were I'm going tbh the only other leader i can remember is Herbert MorrisonHe was leader of the LCC , the forerunner of the GLC. GLC leaders were Bill Fiske, (Lord) Desmond Plummer, Reg Goodwin and Horace Cutler.
Bill Fiske was the Labour candidate in Hornsey in 1945, who was kiboshed by the very large Communist vote. After losing control in 1967 he was made head of the Decimal currency board, so maybe on second thoughts he was probably better known nationally than Goodwin.
i guessed it wasn't GLC as Morrison was leader in 1935
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2020 9:34:26 GMT
He was leader of the LCC , the forerunner of the GLC. GLC leaders were Bill Fiske, (Lord) Desmond Plummer, Reg Goodwin and Horace Cutler.
Bill Fiske was the Labour candidate in Hornsey in 1945, who was kiboshed by the very large Communist vote. After losing control in 1967 he was made head of the Decimal currency board, so maybe on second thoughts he was probably better known nationally than Goodwin.
i guessed it wasn't GLC as Morrison was leader in 1935 tbf Morrison would have quite cheerfully annexed most of the land south, north, east and west of the LCC area so maybe he was a GLC leader ahead of his time.
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Post by clyde1998 on Jun 14, 2020 19:32:11 GMT
Welsh General Election voting intention. More results: centrefor.wales/2020/06/11/cws-and-survation-polling-part-2/ Constituency (%) Labour - 40 Conservatives - 26 Plaid - 18 BXP - 8 LD - 7 Regional List (%) Labour - 36 Conservatives - 23 Plaid - 22 BXP - 10 LD - 7 Something about these results is off. Labour is up quite a bit and the Tories and Plaid down several points on Yougov's poll. And there's no way the Brexit party is polling 10% when they are around 1-2% in UK polls and got 3% in the Yougov poll when the fieldwork was done over broadly the same period. I'm not saying Yougov is right and this is definitely worng, but Yougov have conducted lots of Welsh polls and have proved fairly accurate in previous elections. This poll does look a bit odd, but YouGov's Welsh surveys do seem to have Labour on the low side a bit. YouGov tend to have Labour lower than other pollsters, while the Conservatives seem to be higher, in both England and Scotland - so it's likely the same pattern would occur in Wales. Don't know if that's an affect on their Brexit weighting (in terms of what type of Leave and Remain voters you get in the poll), how they deal with turnout, or anything else.
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Post by cibwr on Jun 20, 2020 9:39:55 GMT
Vaughan is likely to be the next Welsh Labour Leader.... I had a run in with him when he stood for council in Butetown and am not a fan. surely that depends on the outcome of the next election. If Drakford gets back in on numbers like this he won't be going anywhere Drakeford made it clear he is a one term leader, there was some speculation that he might have stood down before the election giving just enough time for the new leader to make a name for themselves. Now he will be hampered by having made himself a lame duck leader into the Welsh Parliamentary election.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 20, 2020 12:09:42 GMT
surely that depends on the outcome of the next election. If Drakford gets back in on numbers like this he won't be going anywhere Drakeford made it clear he is a one term leader, there was some speculation that he might have stood down before the election giving just enough time for the new leader to make a name for themselves. Now he will be hampered by having made himself a lame duck leader into the Welsh Parliamentary election. But that was before the Covid-19 crisis and we will possibly see a change of heart.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 17:42:17 GMT
Plus if he does as well as this poll suggests he might well have a change of minf
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Jun 21, 2020 9:14:19 GMT
Plus if he does as well as this poll suggests he might well have a change of minf That is of course a possibility, and given that the crisis will continue for some months, its probably not the best time to launch a leadership campaign....
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Post by Penddu on Jun 24, 2020 7:09:17 GMT
Drakeford has come well out of the Covid crisis.. unlike Gething.
If Gething takes over I predict he will poll at similar levels to the earlier Cardiff South AM leader..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:19:17 GMT
Drakeford has come well out of the Covid crisis.. unlike Gething. If Gething takes over I predict he will poll at similar levels to the earlier Cardiff South AM leader.. Gething is quite charismatic but I agree. Welsh Labour might be able to ride this wave and getting off would be a mistake imo
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Post by cibwr on Jun 24, 2020 17:31:49 GMT
Gething is a marmite politician, but gives better answers than does the English counterpart....
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Post by Penddu on Jun 30, 2020 19:07:28 GMT
Plus if he does as well as this poll suggests he might well have a change of milf Corrected your spelling mistake...
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Aug 27, 2020 7:01:29 GMT
Another YouGov poll... www.yes.cymru/third_vote_independenceYou Gov opinion poll – YesCymru All figures, unless otherwise stated, are from YouGov Plc. Total sample size was 1,044 adults. Fieldwork was undertaken between 29th July - 7th August 2020. The survey was carried out online. The figures have been weighted and are representative of all adults in Wales (aged 16+). All figures discounting Would not vote / Don’t Know / Refused. The question asked was “If there was a referendum tomorrow on Wales becoming an independent country and this was the question, how would you vote? Should Wales be an independent country?” Overall 32% - YES Age - YES 46% - 16-24 39% - 25-49 30% - 50-64 18% - 65+ Vote in 2019 - YES 68% - Plaid Cymru 42% - Labour 21% - Lib Dems 11% - Conservatives Region - YES 37% - South Wales West 36% - Cardiff and South Central 34% - Mid and West 27% - North 26% - South Wales East Follow the link in the article for the full poll results
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Post by kefin on Aug 27, 2020 11:24:23 GMT
Anyone who believes that anywhere remotely near 32% of the Welsh electorate would vote for independence would, to be frank believe just about anything.
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Post by johng on Aug 27, 2020 11:32:54 GMT
Anyone who believes that anywhere remotely near 32% of the Welsh electorate would vote for independence would, to be frank believe just about anything. I'm sure you've never met anyone who would consider it kefin ...
Don't forget, it wasn't that long ago it was 32% in Scotland. And it's the ardent unionists who are pushing those figures higher. It really is a slippery slope.
Here in Wales, the union is in a safer place because of Plaid Cymru rather than so called unionists.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 27, 2020 11:37:29 GMT
[/div] Here in Wales, the union is in a safer place because of Plaid Cymru rather than so called unionists.
[/quote] ^This. Pleasingly Plaid won't get anywhere near 30% next year and that'll keep an indi Wales a further five years away and hopefully dampen some of the CyberNats on social media.
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Post by kefin on Aug 27, 2020 11:44:19 GMT
Oh I have met the occasional person who would like independence given the choice.
Thats why I know such polls such as these are nonsense.
I generally rely on my own instinct and experience of meeting and talking to the ordinary public as I go through life and am rarely wrong in regards public opinion. its those who rely on focus groups and polls who are the ones generally expressing surprise when votes don't go their way.
e.g one Mr Carwyn Jones esq and one Leanne Woods who clearly assured all and sundry for months on end that Wales was firmly pro EU and in Woods case she of course was going to firmly fight to keep Wales in the EU in the event of an out vote carried by the English electorate against Wales' wishes.
Cue a couple of months silence from woods after finding out that she had no clue whatsoever as to real public opinion in Wales. It's the trouble with those who confine their thinking to their own little echo chambers and that of their cronies.
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Post by johng on Aug 27, 2020 11:47:22 GMT
The real risk here is a nationalist party that isn't tied to the language and rural west/ north Wales. There's absolutely no reason why that type of party couldn't get SNP Glasgow margins in the South Wales Valleys and certain parts of north and west Wales. Welsh Labour would crumble like a house of cards.
It's not going to happen for the foreseeable though.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 27, 2020 12:15:14 GMT
The real risk here is a nationalist party that isn't tied to the language and rural west/ north Wales. There's absolutely no reason why that type of party couldn't get SNP Glasgow margins in the South Wales Valleys and certain parts of north and west Wales. Welsh Labour would crumble like a house of cards. It's not going to happen for the foreseeable though.
Oh I know and that's pleasing in my view.
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Post by Penddu on Aug 28, 2020 12:11:55 GMT
Keep an eye out for Neil McEvoy's no-name yet party. He has a very strong local following and could make a significant impact in SE Wales.
But having an official name and party registration would help...
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Aug 28, 2020 13:29:40 GMT
Keep an eye out for Neil McEvoy's no-name yet party. He has a very strong local following and could make a significant impact in SE Wales. But having an official name and party registration would help... But likely not as significant as expected, as these kinds of parties tend to go.
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