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Post by timmullen on Mar 29, 2024 23:18:17 GMT
I’m a lapsed Methodist, I was brought up believing gambling was a sin, don’t expect me to start understanding it now - old dogs, new tricks and all that! A lapsed Methodist with an Irish Catholic name, what a glorious mix. Paternal side were originally from Ireland, but in my lifetime have been Anglican. Maternal side Methodist apparently because they were from Mow Cop and were followers of John Bourne and his Primitive Methodism (I was christened in Bourne Methodist Chapel).
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 30, 2024 1:31:17 GMT
He wasn’t quite the first openly gay member of Congress - that was fellow Massachussetts Democrat Gerry Studds. Studds was forced to confirm his sexuality after being accused of an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old male Congressional Page in a speech on House floor. (Ironically the Chairman of the Ethics Committee who unsuccessfully pushed for Studds’ expulsion was Larry Craig of Idaho who would later be forced to retire from the Senate after making unwanted sexual advances to a male police officer in a Minneapolis-St Paul airport “bathroom”). Let's reflect on the conversation in the Football thread about footie players and coaches and imbalances of power. Is it remotely acceptable for a 46 year old congressman to have a sexual realtionship with a 17 year old "page"?
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Post by timmullen on Mar 30, 2024 8:18:38 GMT
Studds was forced to confirm his sexuality after being accused of an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old male Congressional Page in a speech on House floor. (Ironically the Chairman of the Ethics Committee who unsuccessfully pushed for Studds’ expulsion was Larry Craig of Idaho who would later be forced to retire from the Senate after making unwanted sexual advances to a male police officer in a Minneapolis-St Paul airport “bathroom”). Let's reflect on the conversation in the Football thread about footie players and coaches and imbalances of power. Is it remotely acceptable for a 46 year old congressman to have a sexual realtionship with a 17 year old "page"? It was decided not and the House abolished the Congressional Page scheme, although it continues in the Senate.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 30, 2024 11:22:39 GMT
Studds was forced to confirm his sexuality after being accused of an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old male Congressional Page in a speech on House floor. (Ironically the Chairman of the Ethics Committee who unsuccessfully pushed for Studds’ expulsion was Larry Craig of Idaho who would later be forced to retire from the Senate after making unwanted sexual advances to a male police officer in a Minneapolis-St Paul airport “bathroom”). Let's reflect on the conversation in the Football thread about footie players and coaches and imbalances of power. Is it remotely acceptable for a 46 year old congressman to have a sexual realtionship with a 17 year old "page"? It depends. While I would find it morally distasteful I have no real objection to an ambitious 17 year old using sex to further their career, even if meant taking advantage of vulnerable closeted 46 year old.
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Post by uthacalthing on Mar 30, 2024 12:09:11 GMT
Two fine answers. timmullen1 appears to implictly endorse the idea that the solution was to remove the temptresses. An Afghan approach eastmidlandsright offers tacit support for temptresses and entrapment. Probably not applicable to Sir Jeffrey Donaldson but time will tell.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 30, 2024 12:25:57 GMT
He wasn’t quite the first openly gay member of Congress - that was fellow Massachussetts Democrat Gerry Studds. According to Frank’s House biography he was the first to come out voluntarily, while Studds was forced to confirm his sexuality after being accused of an inappropriate relationship with a 17 year old male Congressional Page in a speech on House floor. (Ironically the Chairman of the Ethics Committee who unsuccessfully pushed for Studds’ expulsion was Larry Craig of Idaho who would later be forced to retire from the Senate after making unwanted sexual advances to a male police officer in a Minneapolis-St Paul airport “bathroom”).This is entirely false. Firstly Craig could not possibly have been Chairman of the House Ethics Committee in 1983 (known at the time as the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct) as the GOP were in the minority. The Chairman was in fact Rep Louis Stokes (D-OH). Secondly Craig was not even a member of the committee at the time. He did become a member of the committee during the 111th Congress (1989-1991). The Committee actually recommended that Studds, along with Rep Dan Crane (R-IL) who had sex with a 17 year old female page, to be merely reprimanded. The full house decided this was insufficient and upgraded the punishment to censure.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 30, 2024 12:29:06 GMT
Let's reflect on the conversation in the Football thread about footie players and coaches and imbalances of power. Is it remotely acceptable for a 46 year old congressman to have a sexual realtionship with a 17 year old "page"? It was decided not and the House abolished the Congressional Page scheme, although it continues in the Senate. Do you just make this shit up as you go along? The response to the 1983 Congressional Page scandal was to establish the House Page Board. The House page scheme only ended in 2011.
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Post by timmullen on Mar 30, 2024 12:41:42 GMT
It was decided not and the House abolished the Congressional Page scheme, although it continues in the Senate. Do you just make this shit up as you go along? The response to the 1983 Congressional Page scandal was to establish the House Page Board. The House page scheme only ended in 2011. No I don’t make it up, I was quoting from both men’s Wikipedia pages, and, forgive me father for I have sinned, house.gov, the official website of the House of representatives, the latter of which it can reasonably be assumed to be accurate.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 30, 2024 13:03:02 GMT
Do you just make this shit up as you go along? The response to the 1983 Congressional Page scandal was to establish the House Page Board. The House page scheme only ended in 2011. No I don’t make it up, I was quoting from both men’s Wikipedia pages, and, forgive me father for I have sinned, house.gov, the official website of the House of representatives, the latter of which it can reasonably be assumed to be accurate. It would be a much better look just to accept that you got it wrong rather than telling the most absurd lies. Neither men's Wikipedia pages make such claims and unless you provide a link to a page on house.org I will assume you are making that up as well. This is about the fifth or sixth time you have been caught out making factually inaccurate claims about US politics and then making dubious excuses or outright lying to cover up your mistakes when you get pulled up on them.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 3, 2024 10:38:44 GMT
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Post by timmullen on Apr 4, 2024 11:38:57 GMT
Just briefly as I’m in hospital pre-minor op tomorrow and I feel 🤢 and NHS wifi is terrible, but WaPo says Nebraska legislature “overwhelmingly rejected the move; needing 23 votes to overrule the Chair who had ruled it not germane to the Bill being debated, it got a meagre eight votes.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 4, 2024 11:48:31 GMT
Just briefly as I’m in hospital pre-minor op tomorrow and I feel 🤢 and NHS wifi is terrible, but WaPo says Nebraska legislature “overwhelmingly rejected the move; needing 23 votes to overrule the Chair who had ruled it not germane to the Bill being debated, it got a meagre eight votes. Interesting, I assumed with the Governor backing it it would likely be happening Bit of defiance against Trump from the Nebraska legislature there
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 4, 2024 13:16:56 GMT
Just briefly as I’m in hospital pre-minor op tomorrow and I feel 🤢 and NHS wifi is terrible, but WaPo says Nebraska legislature “overwhelmingly rejected the move; needing 23 votes to overrule the Chair who had ruled it not germane to the Bill being debated, it got a meagre eight votes.
Hope all goes smoothly for you and you're home asap.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 4, 2024 21:15:28 GMT
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 4, 2024 21:38:14 GMT
Just briefly as I’m in hospital pre-minor op tomorrow and I feel 🤢 and NHS wifi is terrible, but WaPo says Nebraska legislature “overwhelmingly rejected the move; needing 23 votes to overrule the Chair who had ruled it not germane to the Bill being debated, it got a meagre eight votes.
Hope all goes smoothly for you and your home asap.
Hear hear
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Post by stb12 on Apr 4, 2024 21:56:30 GMT
Polls are still a bit all over the place and as pointed out reliability at this stage is questionable, but there are a few signs of Biden recovering in them recently
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 5, 2024 18:52:05 GMT
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Post by batman on Apr 5, 2024 19:51:22 GMT
it's a 4% swing not 8%. Nevertheless, from my own point of view it's welcome
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Post by bigfatron on Apr 5, 2024 20:28:36 GMT
it's a 4% swing not 8%. Nevertheless, from my own point of view it's welcome Americans calculate swing differently from us (or 'wrong', as I prefer to call it), using the aggregate move, not the average...
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Post by batman on Apr 5, 2024 20:51:28 GMT
One day perhaps they will understand.
I've seen a number of polls taken within the last fortnight or so, some have a narrow Biden lead, others are level, others have a narrow Trump lead. In Arizona Trump is said to have a narrow lead, but that was just one poll. Of course, Biden has a path to victory if he loses Arizona this time, Pennsylvania is a state however he really can't afford to lose. I suspect if he wins Pennsylvania and either Michigan or Wisconsin (or both) he will survive. He can't afford to lose 2 of those.
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