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Post by manchesterman on Dec 5, 2020 20:33:04 GMT
One thing's for sure, Trump isnt a R(h)ino! In fact he is the most thin-skinned creature I've ever known!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 5, 2020 21:54:31 GMT
The spectacle of arch-election manipulator Brian Kemp being taken to task by Trump for failing to manipulate enough elections makes me believe that there is such a thing as the todal after all.
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 5, 2020 22:12:32 GMT
President setting the tone for tonight's rally in Georgia I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump is such a good conman because he actually comes to believe his own made up bullshit.
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Post by mrhell on Dec 5, 2020 22:41:50 GMT
President setting the tone for tonight's rally in Georgia You can't match ballots with signatures for the same reason you can't do it with postal votes in this country. You would know how someone voted.
Oh and the gift that keeps giving.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 22:50:25 GMT
President setting the tone for tonight's rally in Georgia You can't match ballots with signatures for the same reason you can't do it with postal votes in this country. You would know how someone voted.
Well .... you can match a ballot paper’s serial number with the counter foil, which will give you the electoral role number (although why you would want to do that ?)
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 5, 2020 23:25:39 GMT
You can't match ballots with signatures for the same reason you can't do it with postal votes in this country. You would know how someone voted.
Well .... you can match a ballot paper’s serial number with the counter foil, which will give you the electoral role number (although why you would want to do that ?) My understanding is that you would require the consent of an electoral court though I may be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 2:18:56 GMT
Well .... you can match a ballot paper’s serial number with the counter foil, which will give you the electoral role number (although why you would want to do that ?) My understanding is that you would require the consent of an electoral court though I may be wrong. Agreed, & that would be very difficult. But identifying how an individual votes is technically possible
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Post by tonyhill on Dec 6, 2020 7:09:22 GMT
Indeed - and it was always claimed that the security services did just that with respect to far right and far left candidates' votes, though that may well be paranoia.
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 6, 2020 8:37:02 GMT
My understanding is that you would require the consent of an electoral court though I may be wrong. Agreed, & that would be very difficult. But identifying how an individual votes is technically possible This has actually been quite widely commented on, that UK elections are not secret. Officially there are very limited circumstances in which the ballots can be matched with the register where the ballot serial number is recorded, mostly relating to fraud, and requiring as stated above some sort of legal approval. But as tonyhill suggests there is widespread suspicion that the security services can and do bypass the legal niceties. And of course there would be nothing to stop an authoritarian government identifying its opponents.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 8:52:31 GMT
Agreed, & that would be very difficult. But identifying how an individual votes is technically possible This has actually been quite widely commented on, that UK elections are not technically secret. Officially there are very limited circumstances in which the ballots can be matched with the register where the ballot serial number is recorded, mostly relating to fraud, and requiring as stated above some sort of legal approval. But as tonyhill suggests there is widespread suspicion that the security services can and do bypass the legal niceties. although if they really want to go through bundles of ballot papers checking for serial numbers, or tracing votes for Comrade/ duce X back to the electoral register then I guess that will keep them out of mischief. ... especially as the people concerned hardly go out of their way to hide their politics .....
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Post by mboy on Dec 6, 2020 9:32:25 GMT
The ballots and counter-foils are stored at polling district level, yes? So typically doing this would require matching around 1,000 slips and ballots for every district?
Are the ballots and counter-foils stored in separate places? I.e. is there anything more than the law preventing any council employee with 1 key from simply going into the store room and picking up both boxes?
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 6, 2020 10:26:06 GMT
It is actually worth looking at the procedure in Georgia for checking absentee ballots, because it is surprisingly robust from almost every perspective.
1. When voters register their signature is recorded on a Voter ID card.
2. When a voter requests an absentee ballot the signature on the request form is checked against the signature on the voter ID card.
3. When an absentee ballot is received the signature on the inner envelope is checked against the signatures on both the voter ID card and absentee ballot request form. This process starts 15 days before election day.
4. If the election official reviewing the signature does not believe that it matches it is reviewed by all officials who are reviewing ballots in that county. Whether or not to accept the ballot is decided by a simple majority of said officials.
5. If the ballot is rejected, the voter is contacted and given an opportunity to "cure" their ballot. i.e prove they are who they say and are entitled to vote.
6. Once the ballot is accepted as valid the actual ballot paper is separated from the envelope and stored with other absentee ballots that will be counted after election day.
Therefore contrary to Trump's claim all signatures will have been checked. Furthermore an additional check is now effectively impossible as the envelope with the signature on can no longer be traced to the ballot that was inside it.
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Post by pl on Dec 6, 2020 10:46:49 GMT
It is actually worth looking at the procedure in Georgia for checking absentee ballots, because it is surprisingly robust from almost every perspective. 1. When voters register their signature is recorded on a Voter ID card. 2. When a voter requests an absentee ballot the signature on the request form is checked against the signature on the voter ID card. 3. When an absentee ballot is received the signature on the inner envelope is checked against the signatures on both the voter ID card and absentee ballot request form. This process starts 15 days before election day. 4. If the election official reviewing the signature does not believe that it matches it is reviewed by all officials who are reviewing ballots in that county. Whether or not to accept the ballot is decided by a simple majority of said officials. 5. If the ballot is rejected, the voter is contacted and given an opportunity to "cure" their ballot. i.e prove they are who they say and are entitled to vote. 6. Once the ballot is accepted as valid the actual ballot paper is separated from the envelope and stored with other absentee ballots that will be counted after election day. Therefore contrary to Trump's claim all signatures will have been checked. Furthermore an additional check is now effectively impossible as the envelope with the signature on can no longer be traced to the ballot that was inside it. It sounds stronger and more robust than our system.
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 6, 2020 10:48:55 GMT
President setting the tone for tonight's rally in Georgia I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump is such a good conman because he actually comes to believe his own made up bullshit. "If you can fake authenticity, you've got it made".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 19:10:33 GMT
I am increasingly of the opinion that Trump is such a good conman because he actually comes to believe his own made up bullshit. "If you can fake authenticity, you've got it made". Isn’t that quote “sincerity, fake that & you’ve got it made” ? 😎
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 6, 2020 20:47:24 GMT
If I was to write "The election was rigged by super intelligent cockroaches" it would have as much credibility as the nonsense that is being spouted by Trump and his idiotic cult.
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Post by john07 on Dec 6, 2020 20:59:15 GMT
If I was to write "The election was rigged by super intelligent cockroaches" it would have as much credibility as the nonsense that is being spouted by Trump and his idiotic cult. This is beginning to resemble a play by Eugène Ionescu. Except that is far more surreal!
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 6, 2020 22:22:47 GMT
If I was to write "The election was rigged by super intelligent cockroaches" it would have as much credibility as the nonsense that is being spouted by Trump and his idiotic cult. This is beginning to resemble a play by Eugène Ionescu. Except that is far more surreal! "Exit The King" ?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 6, 2020 22:27:11 GMT
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Post by mrhell on Dec 7, 2020 0:06:46 GMT
As I wrote here in Jan 2016 "I love Dilbert but Scott Adams doesn't come across well. His none Dilbert posts on Facebook come across badly and his attitude to women is awful." This was before he really came out for Trump.
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