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Post by Admin Twaddleford on Sept 1, 2020 15:55:47 GMT
Doncaster
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Post by syorkssocialist on Sept 1, 2020 16:22:21 GMT
My BLP (Hexthorpe & Balby North) voted unanimously last week to reselect Ros Jones as the Labour candidate, and I am aware that Town and Balby South wards supported her reselection too.
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Doncaster
Oct 2, 2020 11:55:24 GMT
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Post by bluelabour on Oct 2, 2020 11:55:24 GMT
Was surprised to learn Donny was a Tory seat till 1964
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Doncaster
Oct 9, 2020 10:26:06 GMT
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Post by conservativeestimate on Oct 9, 2020 10:26:06 GMT
Was surprised to learn Donny was a Tory seat till 1964 The West Ends of most cities and towns were Tory in the 1950s - as Sheffield Hallam and Sheffield Heeley were. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 9, 2020 10:35:54 GMT
Was surprised to learn Donny was a Tory seat till 1964 The West Ends of most cities and towns were Tory in the 1950s - as Sheffield Hallam and Sheffield Heeley were. These are more south of the city than west of it. Heeley is not really on the west at all. Mines and chimneys were in the north and the south was and is leafy uplands on ridges. |
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Doncaster
Oct 9, 2020 10:38:14 GMT
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Post by conservativeestimate on Oct 9, 2020 10:38:14 GMT
The West Ends of most cities and towns were Tory in the 1950s - as Sheffield Hallam and Sheffield Heeley were. These are more south of the city than west of it. Heeley is not really on the west at all. Mines and chimneys were in the noth and the south was and is leafy uplands on ridges. I stand corrected, although Hallam included Broomhill (once a Tory inner area) for a time. And Heeley included the formerly Conservative-voting area of Nether Edge until the 70s. |
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Post by andrewp on Oct 9, 2020 10:46:59 GMT
Was surprised to learn Donny was a Tory seat till 1964 Doncaster is quite a mixed town and was never as reliant on the coalfields as neighbouring constituencies. There have also been slight boundary changes over time. The Conservatives would have won in 1983 on the boundaries used in the 1950s. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 9, 2020 10:56:10 GMT
These are more south of the city than west of it. Heeley is not really on the west at all. Mines and chimneys were in the noth and the south was and is leafy uplands on ridges. I stand corrected, although Hallam included Broomhill (once a Tory inner area) for a time. And Heeley included the formerly Conservative-voting area of Nether Edge until the 70s. But that doesn't make them west either does it? |
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Doncaster
Oct 9, 2020 10:58:29 GMT
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Post by conservativeestimate on Oct 9, 2020 10:58:29 GMT
I stand corrected, although Hallam included Broomhill (once a Tory inner area) for a time. And Heeley included the formerly Conservative-voting area of Nether Edge until the 70s. But that doesn't make them west either does it? On a map Broomhill and Nether Edge are central and might reasonably be considered part of the old Victorian West End of the city. What do you think? |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 9, 2020 11:02:54 GMT
Was surprised to learn Donny was a Tory seat till 1964 Doncaster is quite a mixed town and was never as reliant on the coalfields as neighbouring constituencies. There have also been slight boundary changes over time. The Conservatives would have won in 1983 on the boundaries used in the 1950s. It was an engineering town making railway engines, tractors, diesel engines, and tanks; and of course had a major race course with attendant hospitality and support services. It has a lot of really quite upmarket communities within the urban area and even more just outside on the periphery. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 9, 2020 11:11:33 GMT
But that doesn't make them west either does it? On a map Broomhill and Nether Edge are central and might reasonably be considered part of the old Victorian West End of the city. What do you think? Surely the centrality of this discussion is the rough and a bit trite maxim of industrial and mill towns being thought of in east and west terms, with prevailing west wind bringing fresh clean air to the expensive up-market communities on the west, and the the cheap densely builit-up areas being with the mills and factories where they worked, on the east side, so that the smoke was carried away from the rest of the town. In those terms Sheffield is a north-south divide and not an east west divide at all. You seem to be conflating the rather different 'West End', as on a London model, with it being the prestigeous up-market shopping and housing together? |
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Post by alien8ted on Oct 9, 2020 11:43:50 GMT
I'd say Sheffield spread out South West away from the industry originally, following the wider valley, so it has a south west / north east split it, hence why Heeley was a Conservative seat. Nether Edge developed as a prosperous suburb on a hill that declined and has since gentrified. Major groupings of shops tended to be more down in the valleys, on Ecclesall Road and Abbeydale Road for example, whilst. As Industry was also in all valleys, housing was often found on the hills. West End?, maybe shopping in the Valleys, but housing as well, no. Broomhill is the former Crookes Moor area which was a moor, which had a racecourse on it in the Eigteenth Century. Broomhill primarily developed as a result of the turnpike to Glossop in the 19th Century. Trams didn't make it to Broomhill until the 20th Century, so no it wouldn't have been the west end. See History of Broomhill
Maybe a few of these posts need transfering as they aren't to do with Doncaster.
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Post by syorkssocialist on Oct 9, 2020 12:46:39 GMT
General Election combined results for the three Donny seats
Conservative 37.2% Labour 36.2% Brexit Party 16.8%
Could be an interesting race That does not make much sense as the Doncaster seats were held by LAB and the minor 1% advantage to CON is caused by the gaining of Don Valley which is not really any more to do with Doncaster than the surrounding Berkshire seats could be called the three Slough seats! Every part of Don Valley is within the Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council area and as a former resident of the constituency I can say with certainty that pretty much everyone there considers it part of Doncaster... |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 9, 2020 12:58:24 GMT
That does not make much sense as the Doncaster seats were held by LAB and the minor 1% advantage to CON is caused by the gaining of Don Valley which is not really any more to do with Doncaster than the surrounding Berkshire seats could be called the three Slough seats! Every part of Don Valley is within the Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council area and as a former resident of the constituency I can say with certainty that pretty much everyone there considers it part of Doncaster... Your patch and I will retract but I still don't see it as a 'Doncaster' seat. It is a genuine difference in the 'point' of view. Deleted. |
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