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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 20:32:59 GMT
how could anyone vote for a party that he leads, a crook, a sexual molester and all the rest. The Italians we know take a totally different slant on it all and it must make good honest politicans of the left and right there despair. I'm sure they'll let us know when somebody finds them. Sadly, just because a crook wins, doesn't mean the election was crooked. Though it may mean the electorate need a slap round the head. just annoys the life out of me because with my contact with Italians they are all fun loving good people and yet the elect a crook, in one of the houses anyway |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 25, 2013 20:56:37 GMT
well the italians deserve all they can get. Basically a crook has once again led the polls, total disgrace and Italians should be shocked at themselves, I doubt they are. Still criticising the Conservatives for not caucusing with Berlusconi's party in the European Parliament? I always found this to be the weakest of all the criticisms made of forming the ECR. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 22:26:38 GMT
Clucking fells.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 25, 2013 22:55:59 GMT
Catastrophic sets of results for everyone but Grillo...
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 25, 2013 23:27:05 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 26, 2013 3:29:01 GMT
Seats, Chamber of Deputies: Bersani: 340 Berlusconi: 124 Grillo: 108 Monti: 45 Seats, Senate: Berlusconi: 116 Bersani: 113 Grillo: 54 Monti: 18 elezioni.interno.it |
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Post by andrea on Feb 26, 2013 10:25:06 GMT
Senate numbers don't include Trentino and Valle d'Aosta. Italians Abroad aren't included in both Chambers (as their count is still going on)
Valle d'Aosta has been won by a regionalist French speaking party.
Trentino Alto Adige Senators are: 4 PD-SVP alliance, 2 SVP (South Tyrol German Speaking party), 1 PDL
Italians Abroad at Senate are likely to be: 4 PD (in each constituency), 1 Monti (Europe), 1 local list (South America)
At the House, North America (1 PD and 1 Monti) and Oceania-Asia-Africa-Antartide (1 PD) have already finished. South America looks like 3 local list, 1 PD; Europe 2 PD 1 Monti 1 PDL and 1 Grillo.
The intra coalition numbers for mainland Italy
House: PD 292 seats SEL 37 Centro Democratico 6 SVP 5; PDL 97 Lega 18 Fratelli d'Italia 9; Monti's Civic List 37 UDC 8
Senate (not counting Trentino): PD 105 SEL 7 The Megaphone (Sicily governor's list) 1; PDL 98 Lega 17 Big South 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 12:55:23 GMT
Leave the country Andrea. That looks like a recipe for chaos.
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Post by john07 on Feb 26, 2013 14:15:44 GMT
I hope those who were so keen on the House of Lords reform proposals have taken account of the potential political deadlock in Italy.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 26, 2013 14:23:09 GMT
Probably not - the point has been put to them before but they just wail "Democracy! Democracy! Democracy!" rather than engage with the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 15:03:03 GMT
I hope those who were so keen on the House of Lords reform proposals have taken account of the potential political deadlock in Italy. Does the Italian house have an equivalent of the Parliament Act? (which was going to be retained so that the Commons has the final say). |
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Post by andrea on Feb 26, 2013 15:23:41 GMT
Italians in UK Chamber PD 12,522 votes (25.59) Monti 12,254 (25.04) PDL 8,555 (17.48) Grillo 8,303 (16.96) Ingroia 1,946 (3.97) SEL 1,865 (3.81) Stop the Decline 1,513 (3.09) Italian Abroads Movement 1,412 (2.88) Communist Party 558 (1.14) Senate PD 13,562 votes (28.78) Monti 12,722 (26.99) PDL 8,698 (18.45) Grillo 8,237 (17.48) Ingroia 1,858 (3.94) Stop the Decline 1,387 (2.94) Communist Party 657 (1.39) I hope those who were so keen on the House of Lords reform proposals have taken account of the potential political deadlock in Italy. Does the Italian house have an equivalent of the Parliament Act? (which was going to be retained so that the Commons has the final say). No, our 2 Chambers have the same exact powers, they are equivalent. Laws must be passed by both of them in the same exact form to be valid. |
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Post by Dan on Feb 26, 2013 22:42:08 GMT
What's come as a surprise to me is that Gianfranco Fini's Future and Freedom Party has ended up with 0 seats in the Chamber of Deputies, where it ran in an alliance of three parties on the 'With Monti for Italy' list. In the Senate (where the parties ran on a single list) it seems 19 seats were won, which may be where Fini ends up. But it's a considerable fall from power for someone who at one time seemed to be positioning himself to be the heir-apparent to the creation of a Conservative-style party of the centre-right, and now appears to very little influence at all.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 26, 2013 22:48:32 GMT
It's hilarious, actually.
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Post by andrea on Feb 26, 2013 22:50:54 GMT
Fini was standing for the Chamber of Deputies. So he lost his seat. It's the second time in a row that the outgoing Speaker of the Chamber loses his seat at the election because his (new) party fails to reach the threshold: in 2008 Communist Bertinotti lost his seat because the Rainbow Left list polled just 3%.
3 regional elections were also held. Counting is coming to an end but the picture is already clear. Lega's Maroni is the new president of Lombardy. He defeated centre-left's Ambrosoli 43 to 38%. 5 Stars candidate polled 13/14% while former Milan mayor Albertini (representing Monti's block) got just 4%.
In Lazio, PD's Zingaretti wins 40 to 29% for former (2000-05) regional president Storace. Grillo's candidate got a good 20% while the Monti's coalition polled 4/5%.
In Molise, the centre-left candidate won easily (at the moment it's 43.9% to 27.1% with 83% counted).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 22:54:58 GMT
The more I read about Italian politics, the more fascinating and dramatic it becomes.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 26, 2013 22:59:43 GMT
The more I read about Italian politics, the more fascinating and dramatic it becomes. Including a certain former (many times) Prime Minister who got off on a murder charge on what amounted to a string of technicalities. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 23:13:04 GMT
I have to admit to being very ignorant about Italian politics. I always got the impression, like France, that their electorate was very polarised, with many voters verging on both communist and facist? Is this true?
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Post by Dan on Feb 26, 2013 23:37:16 GMT
Fini was standing for the Chamber of Deputies. So he lost his seat. If I understand it right, in the Senate, doesn't the list leader choose who their senators will be? Can this be anyone, or is it only from a list of names already submitted? If it's the former, could Monti choose Fini as one of his list's 19 senators? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 26, 2013 23:41:28 GMT
Ideological polarisation was a big feature of post-war politics in Italy (specifically the struggle between the Christian Democrats and the Communists; the 1948 election was a key moment in the early stages of the Cold War) but hasn't been since the Wall came down in '89 and exposure of the essential criminality of the DCs and their allies a few years later. Though contemporary voting patterns often have their roots in that era; the PD is about as radical as strawberry jam, but its support patterns are still (more or less) those of the Communist Party from which it is descended.
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