peterl
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Post by peterl on Jul 20, 2020 22:13:34 GMT
They need a dose of their own medicine. Like merging London, Westminster and Lambeth into "Central London Council".
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 20, 2020 22:41:22 GMT
They need a dose of their own medicine. Like merging London, Westminster and Lambeth into "Central London Council". and parts of Camden presumably? |
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Post by peterl on Jul 20, 2020 22:55:08 GMT
Camden gets divided between Central London and Central North London Council, which would also contain Barnet, Haringey and Enfield. Those places probably have nothing in common besides being next to each other, but it will save money so it can't be all bad.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 21, 2020 10:18:14 GMT
Camden gets divided between Central London and Central North London Council, which would also contain Barnet, Haringey and Enfield. Those places probably have nothing in common besides being next to each other, but it will save money so it can't be all bad. this is beginning to resemble Tony Blair's mooted plan for London boroughs.... |
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Post by owainsutton on Jul 21, 2020 11:34:33 GMT
Don't forget to impose some clunky names, too.
"London Central, South Bank and Dulwich Council"?
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Post by jm on Jul 21, 2020 13:34:20 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 21, 2020 13:36:09 GMT
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... |
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Jul 21, 2020 18:20:11 GMT
Well we did hear this sort of message, that "reforms" would not be imposed, before the Dorset mergers. What this seemed to mean was that the government will not introduce their own proposal and then impose it, but its okay to impose something that some of the councils suggested, even if some don't agree.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 21, 2020 21:37:24 GMT
Don't forget to impose some clunky names, too. "London Central, South Bank and Dulwich Council"? Thames Banks Council. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 21, 2020 23:32:31 GMT
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... Basically they're too lazy to want to come up with a plan and, more importantly, they don't want to take the blame (and screw over their local colleagues to cop the flack) after effectively blackmailing them. No change there then... |
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Post by gaz76 on Jul 23, 2020 16:56:50 GMT
We have six districts and one county council. There is absolutely no chance of unanimity of a course of action. The county council will put forward a single authority, which they will see as an absorption of the districts, and the districts two based on them acquiring the powers themselves. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 28, 2020 17:24:02 GMT
And there we are! Latest news from Lancashire: "They'd be replaced by 3 “unitary” councils covering central and southern (Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs), western and northern area (Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley) and the east (Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Rossendale, Hyndburn and Pendle)" I can imagine some difficulty in naming some of these, if they aren't to be Compass Point Lancashire Councils. Because each area contains more than one fairly populous town with a strong identity of its own. Central Lancashire makes sense for the one containing Preston, as it contains a university with that name. North Lancashire for the Blackpool one? Or could we end up with a Cheshire West scenario - Lancaster and North Lancashire?  (yeah I know, Lancaster isn't the county town in terms of county council HQ, but still, it's a 'City' apparently) East Lancashire for the other one, or should that be South? East Lancs surely, as there is a well-known railway with that name. "Blackburn with Burnley" has nice alliteration though it may not go down well in Accrington Hyndburn Attachments:
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 28, 2020 18:06:36 GMT
And there we are! Latest news from Lancashire: "They'd be replaced by 3 “unitary” councils covering central and southern (Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs), western and northern area (Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley) and the east (Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Rossendale, Hyndburn and Pendle)" I can imagine some difficulty in naming some of these, if they aren't to be Compass Point Lancashire Councils. Because each area contains more than one fairly populous town with a strong identity of its own. Central Lancashire makes sense for the one containing Preston, as it contains a university with that name. North Lancashire for the Blackpool one? Or could we end up with a Cheshire West scenario - Lancaster and North Lancashire? (yeah I know, Lancaster isn't the county town in terms of county council HQ, but still, it's a 'City' apparently) East Lancashire for the other one, or should that be South? East Lancs surely, as there is a well-known railway with that name. "Blackburn with Burnley" has nice alliteration though it may not go down well in Accrington Hyndburn Could Southport seize this as an opportunity to break free from Sefton? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 28, 2020 18:16:24 GMT
And there we are! Latest news from Lancashire: "They'd be replaced by 3 “unitary” councils covering central and southern (Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs), western and northern area (Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley) and the east (Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Rossendale, Hyndburn and Pendle)" I can imagine some difficulty in naming some of these, if they aren't to be Compass Point Lancashire Councils. Because each area contains more than one fairly populous town with a strong identity of its own. Central Lancashire makes sense for the one containing Preston, as it contains a university with that name. North Lancashire for the Blackpool one? Or could we end up with a Cheshire West scenario - Lancaster and North Lancashire? (yeah I know, Lancaster isn't the county town in terms of county council HQ, but still, it's a 'City' apparently) East Lancashire for the other one, or should that be South? East Lancs surely, as there is a well-known railway with that name. "Blackburn with Burnley" has nice alliteration though it may not go down well in Accrington Hyndburn Ribble Valley looks decidedly off. Surely it's populated parts belong either with Pendle or with Preston or even with doesn't-matter-which of these, but not with the 3rd option? Also since two of these are just expanded versions of already existing unitaries, they totally should keep their names, and "Lancashire" for the residue. It'd be no worse than "Denbighshire" or "Central Bedfordshire". -_- Or than yr suggestion of "South Lancs"... surely that is Merseyside and Greater Mancs? |
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Post by lancastrian on Jul 28, 2020 18:57:05 GMT
And there we are! Latest news from Lancashire: "They'd be replaced by 3 “unitary” councils covering central and southern (Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs), western and northern area (Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley) and the east (Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Rossendale, Hyndburn and Pendle)" I can imagine some difficulty in naming some of these, if they aren't to be Compass Point Lancashire Councils. Because each area contains more than one fairly populous town with a strong identity of its own. Central Lancashire makes sense for the one containing Preston, as it contains a university with that name. North Lancashire for the Blackpool one? Or could we end up with a Cheshire West scenario - Lancaster and North Lancashire? (yeah I know, Lancaster isn't the county town in terms of county council HQ, but still, it's a 'City' apparently) East Lancashire for the other one, or should that be South? East Lancs surely, as there is a well-known railway with that name. "Blackburn with Burnley" has nice alliteration though it may not go down well in Accrington Hyndburn Ribble Valley looks decidedly off. Surely it's populated parts belong either with Pendle or with Preston or even with doesn't-matter-which of these, but not with the 3rd option? Also since two of these are just expanded versions of already existing unitaries, they totally should keep their names, and "Lancashire" for the residue. It'd be no worse than "Denbighshire" or "Central Bedfordshire". -_- Or than yr suggestion of "South Lancs"... surely that is Merseyside and Greater Mancs? Longridge belongs with Preston, the rest with Blackburn/Burnley. They don't want to be subsumed into Blackburn though, with the likely political makeup of that council and near zero chance of any Ribble Valley voters ever having any influence. Of course the Blackpool and Lancaster council won't have much interest in Clitheroe and Whalley's housing issues either, but if the Tories control it they might make some effort to avoid pissing off too many people. Going from having your own district council to a choice between slim and zero influence is a pretty raw deal either way. |
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Post by ilerda on Jul 28, 2020 19:40:11 GMT
Final tweet of the thread clarifies this is just a plan being proposed by the leader of Lancashire County Council.
I find it very hard to believe it actually has legs in this form, particularly as existing UAs are likely to be reluctant to give up their independence and merge with lots of other districts.
Blackpool may be persuaded to merge with Fylde and/or Wyre, but I can see Blackburn being very stubborn. And regardless of this the idea of including Ribble Valley with North/West instead of East/Pennine is ridiculous.
I also doubt either Blackpool or Lancaster would consider the other a sensible partner.
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Post by lancastrian on Jul 28, 2020 20:07:40 GMT
Final tweet of the thread clarifies this is just a plan being proposed by the leader of Lancashire County Council. I find it very hard to believe it actually has legs in this form, particularly as existing UAs are likely to be reluctant to give up their independence and merge with lots of other districts. Blackpool may be persuaded to merge with Fylde and/or Wyre, but I can see Blackburn being very stubborn. And regardless of this the idea of including Ribble Valley with North/West instead of East/Pennine is ridiculous. I also doubt either Blackpool or Lancaster would consider the other a sensible partner. Existing LAs and sensible groupings won't have much say in the matter. From what I've seen I don't think it's Blackburn that'll be stubborn, it's the places Blackburn gets to take over. |
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Post by greenhert on Jul 28, 2020 20:14:34 GMT
In such a scenario, should not Lancaster revive the Morecambe Bay idea (i.e. a council comprising Barrow-in-Furness, Lancaster, and South Lakeland) that it suggested in 2007 during that round of unitarisation?
Lancaster has no business being part of a Fylde Peninsula authority with Wyre, Fylde, and Blackpool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 0:23:39 GMT
And there we are! Latest news from Lancashire: "They'd be replaced by 3 “unitary” councils covering central and southern (Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs), western and northern area (Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley) and the east (Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Rossendale, Hyndburn and Pendle)" I can imagine some difficulty in naming some of these, if they aren't to be Compass Point Lancashire Councils. Because each area contains more than one fairly populous town with a strong identity of its own. Central Lancashire makes sense for the one containing Preston, as it contains a university with that name. North Lancashire for the Blackpool one? Or could we end up with a Cheshire West scenario - Lancaster and North Lancashire? (yeah I know, Lancaster isn't the county town in terms of county council HQ, but still, it's a 'City' apparently) East Lancashire for the other one, or should that be South? East Lancs surely, as there is a well-known railway with that name. "Blackburn with Burnley" has nice alliteration though it may not go down well in Accrington Hyndburn I've only just seen this. "Blimey Charlie" is my initial reaction. |
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Post by Adrian on Jul 29, 2020 0:54:43 GMT
The districts need to quickly get off the mark and put together a rival proposal to abolish the county council.
What would anyone suggest for the best merger of the present 11 Surrey districts down to say 3 or 4 unitaries? For 4 unitaries I might suggest:Surrey Heath+ Runnymede+ Woking (276k); Spelthorne+ Elmbridge (232k); Guildford+ Waverley (273k); Epsom&Ewell+Mole Valley+Reigate&Banstead+ Tandridge (392k). For 3 unitaries: Surrey Heath+Runnymede+Spelthorne+Elmbridge (405k); Guildford+Waverley +Woking (373k); Epsom& Ewell+Mole Valley+Reigate& Banstead+ Tandridge (392k) Before they do this, I'd like to see govt produce a discussion paper on whether some parts of Surrey ought to be transferred to London. Specifically: Ewell, Dittons, Moleseys, Sunbury, Ashford. |
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(yeah I know, Lancaster isn't the county town in terms of county council HQ, but still, it's a 'City' apparently)
