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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Aug 2, 2020 16:08:59 GMT
I think they've been in Lancashire for so long now that all their transport links are towards Burnley and Blackburn,so,unless the Colne-Skipton line is rebuilt, I don't think it would be wise to move them and shave off that part of Pendle. The best transport links are towards Colne and Burnley yes. Blackburn not really. Current bus routes are Burnley to Barnoldswick, Burnley to Skipton and Preston-Clitheroe-Skipton*.(This last one is subsidised - will any of the unitaries support routes like this split between all three of them? Blackburn doesn't support buses anyway, so the West Craven part might not last long) The main hospital is Airedale (not Blackburn), but on that basis Colne should be in Yorkshire as well. For education kids travel to both Colne and Skipton I think. On the matter of education and the Ribble Valley question, Lancashire County Council has three area education offices and publishes three regional admissions guides for parents. The Clitheroe, Billington and Grindleton schools, serving most of the rural villages, go with East Lancs, Longridge with Preston. That's what makes sense in terms of local ties, put all of it with East if splitting the district isn't happening. Having said all of that, it's not difficult to see why Ribble Valley or West Craven would oppose inclusion in the East Lancs unitary. I wasn't saying I would put it in with Blackburn,that would be ridiculous. I would have 2 Unitaries in East Lancs - BwD,Rossendale and Hyndburn, plus Burnley,Pendle and Ribble Valley. I'd take greentudorrose's suggestion of merging Lancaster with South Lakeland and Furness to create one big county unitary up there. |
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Post by lancastrian on Aug 2, 2020 21:42:42 GMT
The best transport links are towards Colne and Burnley yes. Blackburn not really. Current bus routes are Burnley to Barnoldswick, Burnley to Skipton and Preston-Clitheroe-Skipton*.(This last one is subsidised - will any of the unitaries support routes like this split between all three of them? Blackburn doesn't support buses anyway, so the West Craven part might not last long) The main hospital is Airedale (not Blackburn), but on that basis Colne should be in Yorkshire as well. For education kids travel to both Colne and Skipton I think. On the matter of education and the Ribble Valley question, Lancashire County Council has three area education offices and publishes three regional admissions guides for parents. The Clitheroe, Billington and Grindleton schools, serving most of the rural villages, go with East Lancs, Longridge with Preston. That's what makes sense in terms of local ties, put all of it with East if splitting the district isn't happening. Having said all of that, it's not difficult to see why Ribble Valley or West Craven would oppose inclusion in the East Lancs unitary. I wasn't saying I would put it in with Blackburn,that would be ridiculous. I would have 2 Unitaries in East Lancs - BwD,Rossendale and Hyndburn, plus Burnley,Pendle and Ribble Valley. I'd take greentudorrose's suggestion of merging Lancaster with South Lakeland and Furness to create one big county unitary up there. I don't know what South Lakeland would think of that, but certainly for East Lancashire I'd prefer that arrangement over what we're actually going to get. |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Aug 2, 2020 21:47:38 GMT
I wasn't saying I would put it in with Blackburn,that would be ridiculous. I would have 2 Unitaries in East Lancs - BwD,Rossendale and Hyndburn, plus Burnley,Pendle and Ribble Valley. I'd take greentudorrose's suggestion of merging Lancaster with South Lakeland and Furness to create one big county unitary up there. I don't know what South Lakeland would think of that, but certainly for East Lancashire I'd prefer that arrangement over what we're actually going to get. Well,bordering that part of Lancashire already, I imagine they've got quite strong connections with Lancaster District and they definitely do with Furness. On the East Lancs point, you could always submit that plan to the local councils and see that they think, if you think it's a good idea.🙂 |
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Post by jm on Aug 2, 2020 23:01:06 GMT
The reported proposals for three UAs:  That map is an abomination, especially the proposed North Lancashire authority. Unfortunately we are going to see the creation of many more of these large, unwieldy "local" authorities in the years to come. |
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 2, 2020 23:58:49 GMT
The reported proposals for three UAs: YUK! |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 3, 2020 9:31:25 GMT
I wasn't saying I would put it in with Blackburn,that would be ridiculous. I would have 2 Unitaries in East Lancs - BwD,Rossendale and Hyndburn, plus Burnley,Pendle and Ribble Valley. I'd take greentudorrose's suggestion of merging Lancaster with South Lakeland and Furness to create one big county unitary up there. I don't know what South Lakeland would think of that, but certainly for East Lancashire I'd prefer that arrangement over what we're actually going to get. Well, we haven't actually got it yet. |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 7, 2020 21:08:38 GMT
Talk of a unitary authority for my home county of Hertfordshire has been much in the news lately: www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/18634231.herts-unitary-authority-cut-hundreds-council-jobs/Hertfordshire is however much too large for a single unitary authority; even the two unitaries option (West Herts and East Herts) is better. It should be pointed out however that the town of Potters Bar would fit in much better with the East Herts (not North East Herts as the article incorrectly suggests, since both Broxbourne and Welwyn Hatfield border the London Borough of Enfield) unitary than with the West Herts unitary (not South West Herts, since Harpenden is definitely in the northern part of Hertfordshire). |
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Post by bigfatron on Aug 11, 2020 12:01:42 GMT
Surrey CC Conservative group leader has submitted to the SoS a proposal for a single Surrey Unitary that would be the largest unitary in the country - approx 150 councillors estimated.
The proposal is opposed by Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, the various Residents and independents, and amusingly the Tories in every one (as far as I can tell) of the eleven district councils within Surrey.
To give a feel for how remote our end of Surrey feels from the HQ in Kingston, when a neighbour phoned up to complain about the reduced service for our local dump he was told 'Warlingham isn't in Surrey, it's in Kent.' Presumably he was thinking of Westerham. When assured that Warlingham was in Surrey and indeed had a municipal dump for years, the council staffer asked where Warlingham was relative to Guildford... which is only about thirty miles away around the M25!
So a Surrey Unitary will probably get approved then...
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 11, 2020 13:35:52 GMT
Surrey CC Conservative group leader has submitted to the SoS a proposal for a single Surrey Unitary that would be the largest unitary in the country - approx 150 councillors estimated. The proposal is opposed by Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, the various Residents and independents, and amusingly the Tories in every one (as far as I can tell) of the eleven district councils within Surrey. To give a feel for how remote our end of Surrey feels from the HQ in Kingston, when a neighbour phoned up to complain about the reduced service for our local dump he was told 'Warlingham isn't in Surrey, it's in Kent.' Presumably he was thinking of Westerham. When assured that Warlingham was in Surrey and indeed had a municipal dump for years, the council staffer asked where Warlingham was relative to Guildford... which is only about thirty miles away around the M25! So a Surrey Unitary will probably get approved then... It's much bigger than the government's trailed maximum for new unitaries (600k in the latest reports I've heard) so no chance. |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 11, 2020 20:05:11 GMT
Surrey CC Conservative group leader has submitted to the SoS a proposal for a single Surrey Unitary that would be the largest unitary in the country - approx 150 councillors estimated. The proposal is opposed by Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, the various Residents and independents, and amusingly the Tories in every one (as far as I can tell) of the eleven district councils within Surrey. To give a feel for how remote our end of Surrey feels from the HQ in Kingston, when a neighbour phoned up to complain about the reduced service for our local dump he was told 'Warlingham isn't in Surrey, it's in Kent.' Presumably he was thinking of Westerham. When assured that Warlingham was in Surrey and indeed had a municipal dump for years, the council staffer asked where Warlingham was relative to Guildford... which is only about thirty miles away around the M25! So a Surrey Unitary will probably get approved then... It's much bigger than the government's trailed maximum for new unitaries (600k in the latest reports I've heard) so no chance. The three unitaries option favoured by Labour is the most likely outcome for Surrey. There is no credible "two unitaries" arrangement for Surrey, since the split is clearly north/south-east/south-west. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 11, 2020 20:31:39 GMT
Will Labour's plan survive the Guildford/Woking rivalry?
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Post by bigfatron on Aug 12, 2020 7:39:47 GMT
It's much bigger than the government's trailed maximum for new unitaries (600k in the latest reports I've heard) so no chance. The three unitaries option favoured by Labour is the most likely outcome for Surrey. There is no credible "two unitaries" arrangement for Surrey, since the split is clearly north/south-east/south-west. Lib Dems also propose a three UA solution - there seem to be some discussions to come about where a couple of Districts sit, e.g. does Mole Valley (Dorking) go with Guildford or Reigate, does Woking go in with Elmbridge or Guildford, but everyone except Surrey CC Tories seems to think three UAs is the way to go, except possibly the Residents Associations who traditionally oppose everything... |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 14, 2020 12:33:20 GMT
Relatively similar to what the Local Government Commission of 1992 proposed for Somerset, with East Somerset being Mid and South Somerset combined (their West Somerset would have been along the exact same lines as proposed by the district councils now). There are only four district councils in Somerset, not five; the writer of that article has forgotten about last year's merger of Taunton and West Somerset. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 14, 2020 12:39:54 GMT
Maybe now would be a good time for West Craven to make a move back into Yorkshire. It can merge with the areas outside Hull to form a band known as Beverley Craven. |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 14, 2020 12:43:52 GMT
Maybe now would be a good time for West Craven to make a move back into Yorkshire. You mean the areas of Barnoldswick, Earby, and the villages in the Ribble Valley area which formed part of the pre-1983 Skipton parliamentary constituency (which also included Sedbergh, now in South Lakeland). |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 14, 2020 12:46:12 GMT
Maybe now would be a good time for West Craven to make a move back into Yorkshire. You mean the areas of Barnoldswick, Earby, and the villages in the Ribble Valley area which formed part of the pre-1983 Skipton parliamentary constituency (which also included Sedbergh, now in South Lakeland). The same. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 14, 2020 12:48:46 GMT
Maybe now would be a good time for West Craven to make a move back into Yorkshire. You mean the areas of Barnoldswick, Earby, and the villages in the Ribble Valley area which formed part of the pre-1983 Skipton parliamentary constituency (which also included Sedbergh, now in South Lakeland). A good few years back, some pranksters put up a sign into the village reading "Welcome to Earby- Please Speak Slowly". |
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Post by greenhert on Aug 21, 2020 20:46:32 GMT
Because of the links of some particular districts within shire counties that could be unitarised (and have not already been entirely unitarised), these districts really need to be moved elsewhere in case this trend becomes nationwide after all.
High Peak does not fit in with anywhere else in Derbyshire, as a prime example. If Derbyshire splits into two unitary authorities (it is too large and incoherent for just one), it should merge with Cheshire East.
Selby should merge with the East Riding of Yorkshire; its links are clearly west to Leeds and east to Hull and Bridlington, not with anywhere in the North Riding of Yorkshire.
North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire should absorb West Lindsey and East Lindsey respectively to make any "Parts of Lindsey" authority viable and lay the ghost of Humberside to rest once and for all.
Staffordshire needs three unitaries: West Staffordshire (Stafford and South Staffordshire), East Staffordshire (Cannock Chase, Lichfield, Tamworth and East Staffordshire) and North Staffordshire (Stoke on Trent, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire Moorlands).
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 21, 2020 21:23:09 GMT
Because of the links of some particular districts within shire counties that could be unitarised (and have not already been entirely unitarised), these districts really need to be moved elsewhere in case this trend becomes nationwide after all. High Peak does not fit in with anywhere else in Derbyshire, as a prime example. If Derbyshire splits into two unitary authorities (it is too large and incoherent for just one), it should merge with Cheshire East.Selby should merge with the East Riding of Yorkshire; its links are clearly west to Leeds and east to Hull and Bridlington, not with anywhere in the North Riding of Yorkshire. North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire should absorb West Lindsey and East Lindsey respectively to make any "Parts of Lindsey" authority viable and lay the ghost of Humberside to rest once and for all. Staffordshire needs three unitaries: West Staffordshire (Stafford and South Staffordshire), East Staffordshire (Cannock Chase, Lichfield, Tamworth and East Staffordshire) and North Staffordshire (Stoke on Trent, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire Moorlands). Yes, because what the overlarge Cheshire East needs is to be even larger . . .  |
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