johnloony
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Post by johnloony on Jun 8, 2020 22:28:35 GMT
I was not a Conservative supporter at that time. In most of the year or two before the election, I thought that I was going to vote Labour in the general election. But a few months beforehand, I was undecided. Throughout the election campaign, I was still undecided, but I thought that I was probably going to vote Liberal Democrat rather than Labour. (I would have voted Green, if there was a Green party candidate in Croydon Central, but there wasn't.) In the end, I voted Liberal Democrat, and I only made up my mind for certain that I would vote Liberal Democrat rather than Labour on the morning of the election day itself. I thought you were an OMRLP voter back then? I joined the OMRLP in 1996 and didn't vote for the OMRLP until I voted for myself in the local elections in 1998 (and in general elections until 2001). In the general elections of 1987, 1992 and 1997 I voted Conservative, Lib Dem and Labour respectively. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 9, 2020 6:19:54 GMT
My grandmother, who used to do public speaking events to WI groups in the Midlands from the mid 80's to the early 2000's, actually spoke to a WI group on Election Night 1992 and she said that she was convinced the Conservatives would win the election because of the attitude the group had to Neil Kinnock calling him "Not British" and "John Major needs a mandate" I'm no fan of Kinnock, but how on earth did they conclude he was "not British" ? Because he was a Welsh MP from a Welsh constituency and in the eyes of England (or to be precise the southern part of Staffordshire) he was not British. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 9, 2020 7:11:50 GMT
In 1992 the result surprised me; mainly because I was out of the country during most of the election campaign including over the crucial time of the faux pas of the Sheffield Rally.
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Jun 9, 2020 14:34:55 GMT
I'm no fan of Kinnock, but how on earth did they conclude he was "not British" ? Because he was a Welsh MP from a Welsh constituency and in the eyes of England (or to be precise the southern part of Staffordshire) he was not British. Come again?! Why southern Staffordshire? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 9, 2020 17:26:37 GMT
Because he was a Welsh MP from a Welsh constituency and in the eyes of England (or to be precise the southern part of Staffordshire) he was not British. Come again?! Why southern Staffordshire? That is where my grandmother was speaking on Election Night in 1992 |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Jun 9, 2020 17:27:57 GMT
Come again?! Why southern Staffordshire? That is where my grandmother was speaking on Election Night in 1992 I see |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 12, 2020 13:48:49 GMT
Not a Tory but I remember being massively disappointed in the result and at the number of close calls in some seats. The size of the Tory vote in terms of absolute numbers was pretty amazing, but the Conservatives I knew were split between the unexpectedly delighted and those who were psephologically minded and dreading what might come at the next election, not least with a small majority and the European tensions.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 12, 2020 18:02:21 GMT
I'm no fan of Kinnock, but how on earth did they conclude he was "not British" ? You mean the Welsh aren't foreigners?  The Welsh are the most British of all British. The English are the foreigners. (This way of thinking comes from reading about the Kings & Queens of Britain in the 400-1100 period). |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 12, 2020 18:43:49 GMT
You mean the Welsh aren't foreigners? The Welsh are the most British of all British. The English are the foreigners. (This way of thinking comes from reading about the Kings & Queens of Britain in the 400-1100 period). This is one where the Welsh Ultras will be after me. The Welsh are Welsh, the English are English. Both are British. There are English people in Wales and Welsh people in England. They are still British. If they want to be. All this "my DNA is Welsh going back to pre-Roman times" is nonsense. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 12, 2020 18:57:52 GMT
The Welsh are the most British of all British. The English are the foreigners. (This way of thinking comes from reading about the Kings & Queens of Britain in the 400-1100 period). This is one where the Welsh Ultras will be after me. The Welsh are Welsh, the English are English. Both are British. There are English people in Wales and Welsh people in England. They are still British. If they want to be. All this "my DNA is Welsh going back to pre-Roman times" is nonsense. Of course you only need to go back to approximately the time of Charlemagne to be in the period where everybody who lived in Europe was either an ancestor of everybody of European ancestry who is alive today, or who has no living descendants today.
There's still some amusement to be had out of the fact that the words Wales and Welsh are derived from a word meaning foreigner, though.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 12, 2020 19:21:43 GMT
This is one where the Welsh Ultras will be after me. The Welsh are Welsh, the English are English. Both are British. There are English people in Wales and Welsh people in England. They are still British. If they want to be. All this "my DNA is Welsh going back to pre-Roman times" is nonsense. Of course you only need to go back to approximately the time of Charlemagne to be in the period where everybody who lived in Europe was either an ancestor of everybody of European ancestry who is alive today, or who has no living descendants today. There's still some amusement to be had out of the fact that the words Wales and Welsh are derived from a word meaning foreigner, though.
That's why I have no objection to Prince Charles being called the Prince of Wales. But Tywysog Cymru? Never!  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 12, 2020 21:28:41 GMT
1992 seems a long time ago now. My memories of the campaign:
Our local (Renfrewshire West and Inverclyde) candidate was Sandy Nimmo, an ex-policeman.
I think he canvassed quite a few people who he had arrested!
Sandy had been on the wrong end of the 1-vote defeat in Inverclyde West on Strathclyde Regional Council in 1990.
I spent some time campaigning in Eastwood, where I encountered my first ever "unadopted roads" which led to some deep thinking on my part about the split between private and public expenditure.
There was a hardly a Tory poster visible in Eastwood and yet they won by 11,000 votes.
I went to bed late on election night and after seeing how narrowly Malcolm Bruce had held on by I assumed Russell Johnston was a "goner".
I laughed my socks off when I saw his result in the morning.
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