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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jun 5, 2020 20:42:54 GMT
I read somewhere years ago that if had some extra words in it rather than the Tories more conventionally worded one and was wondering if anyone knew how it read?  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 5, 2020 21:10:52 GMT
All I can tell you is that it was EDM 349 of the 1978-79 session, and the Conservative one which brought down the government was EDM 351.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jun 5, 2020 21:15:37 GMT
All I can tell you is that it was EDM 349 of the 1978-79 session, and the Conservative one which brought down the government was EDM 351. Thanks that helps as a start! |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 5, 2020 21:49:06 GMT
I read somewhere years ago that if had some extra words in it rather than the Tories more conventionally worded one and was wondering if anyone knew how it read? I wouldn't be surprised. The previous time that the motion "this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government" was the text of a successful confidence motion was in 1841. The intervening cases were five amendments to the Address, two instances of voting down the Budget, and eleven rather miscellaneous votes that were taken to be votes of confidence. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jun 5, 2020 23:03:57 GMT
I think it was something like'This house has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government which has failed to keep its promise to the Scottish people without who it could not have been elected'
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Post by clyde1998 on Jun 6, 2020 19:48:51 GMT
The only thing I can find that might be useful is: The fact that the Official Opposition has precedence over other opposition parties in censure debates is demonstrated by the fact that two SNP motions in the late 1970s, to reduce the Prime Minister’s salary by half, [29] and a motion on 22 March condemning the Government’s policy following the 1979 devolution referendum [30] were not treated as motions of censure presumably because they did not emanate from the Official Opposition. In the latter case the Official Opposition put down a no-confidence motion later that day, and this was debated on 28 March. [29] HC Deb 4 July 1977 c890 [30] EDM 349, 1978-79, 22 March 1979 22nd March would be the date it was tabled by the SNP. The paragraph makes it sound like it wouldn't've been considered a confidence motion by the government regardless of the outcome, so it may not be listed as a confidence motion in any official records of it (if any exist). |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 6, 2020 20:19:37 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 6, 2020 20:44:18 GMT
The posthumously-declared 'no confidence motion' which brought down the Rosebery government was in substance a motion to reduce the salary of the Secretary of State for War by £100. It had a long history as a motion of censure on individual ministers. The last important such motion was against Douglas Hogg, Minister of Agriculture Fisheries and Food, in early 1997 over the BSE crisis. It failed. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jun 7, 2020 11:10:35 GMT
I remember reading the 1976 one was an adjournment motion but treated as a confidence matter, then we have amendments to the King's/Queen's speech(a la January 1924),the campbell case autumn 1924 and I think Labour in the late 70s did say one or more of the hale salary motions would be treated as a confidence issue.
If I find the exact wording I'll post it-the document was in the old Birmingham Central library and related to Parliament but can't remember the name of it for the life of me.
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