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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 2, 2020 19:58:48 GMT
It was decided in 2014 Mike, the losers can’t keep waiting to run the result again if they didn’t like the answer they got. This boil needs to be firmly lanced, although I doubt you will see the wood for the trees. The result in 2014 was based on several promises, vows and pre-conditions, all of which have been blown with the wind. We were told that we should lead the UK, not leave it. We were told vote No to maintain EU membership. We were told that we would get "something as near to federalism as possible in the British system". The next day, we got EVEL, our MP's are constantly ridiculed, we had Brexit foisted upon us and now the Internal Market Bill looks like undermining devolution altogether. In truth, the shift in the polls has only come from people who voted No and who now realise (as most of us knew would happen) that they've been shafted by Westminster. So the momentum isn't from people who are unhappy with the 2014 result. It's from people who are unhappy with the result of the result. Many SNP MP's should be mocked. Several are an utter embarrassment to the nation. Iain blowhard Blackford for one.
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Post by fourringcircus on Dec 2, 2020 20:17:33 GMT
Many SNP MP's should be mocked. Several are an utter embarrassment to the nation. Iain blowhard Blackford for one. Whilst you're led by BoJo the clown, you really have no stones to throw from your glass mansion.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Dec 3, 2020 19:46:52 GMT
Many SNP MP's should be mocked. Several are an utter embarrassment to the nation. Iain blowhard Blackford for one. Whilst you're led by BoJo the clown, you really have no stones to throw from your glass mansion. Well thank God we have, er, Look a squirrel
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Post by johng on Dec 14, 2020 12:18:59 GMT
Just on the edge of MOE stuff. I think we need to wait to see other pollsters show this direction of travel too.
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Post by afleitch on Dec 14, 2020 16:33:08 GMT
Yeah, I think there's reasonable grounds to think that SLab will regain second spot in May, especially post actual Brexit.
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Post by MacShimidh on Dec 14, 2020 17:12:57 GMT
It would be deeply ironic if Richard Leonard became the first Labour leader to gain seats at a Holyrood election.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Dec 14, 2020 19:00:23 GMT
Yeah, I think there's reasonable grounds to think that SLab will regain second spot in May, especially post actual Brexit. They will be lucky to hold what they have, never mind get anywhere near to 30 seats
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Post by jimboo2017 on Dec 15, 2020 0:49:43 GMT
Yeah, I think there's reasonable grounds to think that SLab will regain second spot in May, especially post actual Brexit. by default I suppose, seem totally disorganised in Fife at least
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Post by johng on Dec 17, 2020 9:50:51 GMT
14-16 point lead according to this poll. That's now 16 polls in a row.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Dec 17, 2020 10:48:12 GMT
14-16 point lead according to this poll. That's now 16 polls in a row. Feels like a slight outer for Comres, they’ve had the SNP consistently around the 50% and I can think of anything major that’s happened recently to make the jump 5 points...
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Post by jollyroger93 on Dec 17, 2020 10:53:56 GMT
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Post by johng on Dec 17, 2020 11:02:59 GMT
Feels like a slight outer for Comres, they’ve had the SNP consistently around the 50% and I can think of anything major that’s happened recently to make the jump 5 points... Perhaps that's the case, but I wouldn't be too sure.
In the last month or so we've have the SNP on 53% with Survation, 55% with Ipsos, 53% with Panelbase and 56% with Yougov. 50% looks more like an 'outlier' than 55% (and, yes, this is all basically MOE stuff with the comparisons).
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Post by jollyroger93 on Dec 17, 2020 11:06:22 GMT
Feels like a slight outer for Comres, they’ve had the SNP consistently around the 50% and I can think of anything major that’s happened recently to make the jump 5 points... Perhaps that's the case, but I wouldn't be too sure.
In the last month or so we've have the SNP on 53% with Survation, 55% with Ipsos, 53% with Panelbase and 56% with Yougov. 50% looks more like an 'outlier' than 55% (and, yes, this is all basically MOE stuff with the comparisons).
Absolutely, we could then compare these polls either that’s happening at local by elections, which would give the view of something closely aligned to this SNP=48% CON=23% LAB=18% LIB=8% Oth=3%
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 17, 2020 12:20:56 GMT
But its ComedyResults, that alone means its only fit for the bin.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 17, 2020 12:26:54 GMT
14-16 point lead according to this poll. That's now 16 polls in a row. Feels like a slight outer for Comres, they’ve had the SNP consistently around the 50% and I can think of anything major that’s happened recently to make the jump 5 points... I think Richard Leonard made a statement on something
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 17, 2020 12:28:17 GMT
In terms of seats I know it's tough but how many would the Greens win with that poll?
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 17, 2020 12:45:05 GMT
In terms of seats I know it's tough but how many would the Greens win with that poll? According to the projection in The Scotsman (they commissioned the poll), it is SNP 71 (+8 ) Con 23 (-8 ) Lab 19 (-5 ) Grn 11 (+5 ) LD 5 (= )
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Post by pl on Dec 17, 2020 13:12:03 GMT
In terms of seats I know it's tough but how many would the Greens win with that poll? According to the projection in The Scotsman (they commissioned the poll), it is SNP 71 (+8 ) Con 23 (-8 ) Lab 19 (-5 ) Grn 11 (+5 ) LD 5 (= ) Greens up 5? Is that SNP voters using them as a decoy list?
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Post by johng on Dec 17, 2020 13:13:22 GMT
jollyroger93 It's hard to extrapolate out a few council by-election results to a national picture. Though they do, fairly broadly, show that polls are in the right place. In terms of seats I know it's tough but how many would the Greens win with that poll? According to the projection in The Scotsman (they commissioned the poll), it is SNP 71 (+8 ) Con 23 (-8 ) Lab 19 (-5 ) Grn 11 (+5 ) LD 5 (= ) 82 nationalists to 47 unionists. I know some on here disagree, but that would be a whopping mandate for a second referendum and it's hard to see how Johnson's refusal to hold one wouldn't further harm the unionist cause.
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 17, 2020 13:18:04 GMT
jollyroger93 It's hard to extrapolate out a few council by-election results to a national picture. Though they do, fairly broadly, show that polls are in the right place. According to the projection in The Scotsman (they commissioned the poll), it is SNP 71 (+8 ) Con 23 (-8 ) Lab 19 (-5 ) Grn 11 (+5 ) LD 5 (= ) 82 nationalists to 47 unionists. I know some on here disagree, but that would be a whopping mandate for a second referendum and it's hard to see how Johnson's refusal to hold one wouldn't further harm the unionist cause. There should be a referendum. I don't care which way it goes. But it needs sorting and given the major changes in the situation re Brexit I don't think the once in a generation argument stands up.
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