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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2020 12:37:43 GMT
'I also know this because I've spoken to women with respect, because unlike you I'm not a misogynist.' You just threw a misogynistic trope at Nicola Sturgeon, then another with the 'I know what women think accurately' then a baseless accusation that I'm a misogynist based on what I assume is my trans inclusionary feminism. Sort your life out. It's not misogynistic. I say it about men all the time. Especially Boris.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 14, 2020 12:47:08 GMT
I'm on a high horse to stay above your constant stream of rhetorical pish. Women don't like Nicola? Wanna be mother (real classy call back to her miscarriage there) 'Red hot SNP' men (why thank you, but I'm married) I've 'seen this innumerable times'. How have you seen this? How have you actually seen SNP supporting women in private vote Tory in the ballot box. Please explain how you have literally SEEN this. It's not a "call back to her miscarriage", which I'm only vaguely aware of to be frank, it's a reference to her nannying attitude and how many of the women I know, see her. She's also a bit mother in lawish, if I'm honest. I also know this because I've spoken to women with respect, because unlike you I'm not a misogynist, who've told me what they do. They don't tell anyone they vote Tory, but they do. You can rubbish that if you want, I couldn't care less to be blunt, but it's not over till people vote. So, like you always do, get aggressive and repulsively cocky, it actually motivates us, and we'll know where we are on referendum night circa 2026. Er, how do you know that if they don't tell anyone ?
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Post by robert1 on Oct 14, 2020 12:47:09 GMT
As one of the nation's leading commentators on polls wrote only 8 days ago (on a totally different subject)
'the more dramatic the polling numbers, the more they lend themselves to bold headlines, but the more likely they are to be wrong'.
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Post by afleitch on Oct 14, 2020 12:50:16 GMT
'I also know this because I've spoken to women with respect, because unlike you I'm not a misogynist.' You just threw a misogynistic trope at Nicola Sturgeon, then another with the 'I know what women think accurately' then a baseless accusation that I'm a misogynist based on what I assume is my trans inclusionary feminism. Sort your life out. It's not misogynistic. I say it about men all the time. Especially Boris. I'll cut you some slack because I'm getting some spectrum vibes. All I'm going to say is that it's misogynistic to claim as a man that you know what women think, it's still misogynistic to use misogynistic tropes even if you also use them against men, for the same reason it's still homophobic even if someone uses those tropes against straight men. You've created a misogynistic caricature of a woman voter who doesn't like Nicola because she's 'trying to be motherly' (?) and they all have domineering SNP husbands and are too scared to say what they really think but you, David, yes you know what they really think because they all talk to you because you're not a misogynist. When you know, you could have just looked at the facts and figures of the poll itself rather than resort to crafting some weird reality. You don't even have to do that; vote2012 is that weird reality!
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Post by andrew on Oct 14, 2020 13:11:16 GMT
Just because you don’t want the poll to be accurate, doesn’t mean it isn’t accurate. I’m not that enthusiastic about the SNP right now (I don’t agree with the anti-trans lobby at all but the Salmond stuff is fishy) but they’re the only choice, especially if you want independence like the majority of the population.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2020 13:17:14 GMT
It's not misogynistic. I say it about men all the time. Especially Boris. I'll cut you some slack because I'm getting some spectrum vibes. All I'm going to say is that it's misogynistic to claim as a man that you know what women think, it's still misogynistic to use misogynistic tropes even if you also use them against men, for the same reason it's still homophobic even if someone uses those tropes against straight men. You've created a misogynistic caricature of a woman voter who doesn't like Nicola because she's 'trying to be motherly' (?) and they all have domineering SNP husbands and are too scared to say what they really think but you, David, yes you know what they really think because they all talk to you because you're not a misogynist. When you know, you could have just looked at the facts and figures of the poll itself rather than resort to crafting some weird reality. You don't even have to do that; vote2012 is that weird reality! So, it's misogynistic to relate my experiences with what many women voters have told me? Right. 👉🏻 - I'm not autistic for what it's worth. I have no idea if you are, perhaps you are, but my brother does have it though and, consequently it's something I feel strongly about. In my experience, treating him more softly because of it makes you look like a twat. Empasising the difference isn't a good path to traverse for someone's self esteem, a big issue as it is with people who are autistic. Of course, saying "I'm getting some spectrum vibes" is problematic all on its own given the heavy dose of humiliation it delivers to someone who is autistic and may already be struggling with social interaction. Given that, I have no desire to continue this conversation.
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Post by afleitch on Oct 14, 2020 13:25:45 GMT
I'll cut you some slack because I'm getting some spectrum vibes. All I'm going to say is that it's misogynistic to claim as a man that you know what women think, it's still misogynistic to use misogynistic tropes even if you also use them against men, for the same reason it's still homophobic even if someone uses those tropes against straight men. You've created a misogynistic caricature of a woman voter who doesn't like Nicola because she's 'trying to be motherly' (?) and they all have domineering SNP husbands and are too scared to say what they really think but you, David, yes you know what they really think because they all talk to you because you're not a misogynist. When you know, you could have just looked at the facts and figures of the poll itself rather than resort to crafting some weird reality. You don't even have to do that; vote2012 is that weird reality! So, it's misogynistic to relate my experiences with what many women voters have told me? Right. 👉🏻 - I'm not autistic for what it's worth. I have no idea if you are, perhaps you are, but my brother does have it though and, consequently it's something I feel strongly about. In my experience, treating him more softly because of it makes you look like a twat. Empasising the difference isn't a good path to traverse for someone's self esteem, a big issue as it is with people who are autistic. Of course, saying "I'm getting some spectrum vibes" is problematic all on its own given the heavy dose of humiliation it delivers to someone who is autistic and may already be struggling with social interaction. Given that, I have no desire to continue this conversation. I was diagnosed with high functioning autism 24 years ago. Treating people with autism differently with patience and explanation, creating 'teaching moments' that help them create structure to deal with new situations as they arise I don't think makes anyone 'a twat'. When I test now for it, I hardly register given the assistance that has been given to me. I would hope you would look more kindly upon those who do 'treat them more softly' for your brothers sake.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 14, 2020 13:39:26 GMT
So, it's misogynistic to relate my experiences with what many women voters have told me? Right. 👉🏻 - I'm not autistic for what it's worth. I have no idea if you are, perhaps you are, but my brother does have it though and, consequently it's something I feel strongly about. In my experience, treating him more softly because of it makes you look like a twat. Empasising the difference isn't a good path to traverse for someone's self esteem, a big issue as it is with people who are autistic. Of course, saying "I'm getting some spectrum vibes" is problematic all on its own given the heavy dose of humiliation it delivers to someone who is autistic and may already be struggling with social interaction. Given that, I have no desire to continue this conversation. I was diagnosed with high functioning autism 24 years ago. Treating people with autism differently with patience and explanation, creating 'teaching moments' that help them create structure to deal with new situations as they arise I don't think makes anyone 'a twat'. When I test now for it, I hardly register given the assistance that has been given to me. I would hope you would look more kindly upon those who do 'treat them more softly' for your brothers sake. Right, I said I wouldn't, but I'll say this. Of course I'm patient and I listen to him and I help him deal with his anger. I care deeply for him, what kind of cunt would I be if I didn't? I have to do this almost surreptitiously however, because if he thinks I am in any way treating him differently because of his autism, he doesn't like it. That's what I meant.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 14, 2020 14:07:00 GMT
It's not misogynistic. I say it about men all the time. Especially Boris. I'll cut you some slack because I'm getting some spectrum vibes. You give them off from several miles away. Good to have my suspicions confirmed. (Don't bother, you fired the first shot, and I'm autistic too)
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Post by afleitch on Oct 14, 2020 14:32:56 GMT
I'll cut you some slack because I'm getting some spectrum vibes. You give them off from several miles away. Good to have my suspicions confirmed. (Don't bother, you fired the first shot, and I'm autistic too) It's not a competition.
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Post by afleitch on Oct 14, 2020 14:40:59 GMT
Anyway.
SNP on 72% with 18-34 year olds is notable, but being on 47% amongst over 55's is where this increase in support is coming from. Even in recent good years for the SNP when they banked 45-50% in elections it was difficult to even top the polling amongst older voters. But polls in late summer were showing them doing much better amongst this age group as were Sturgeon's approvals. This is more than likely a COVID response shift.
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Post by fourringcircus on Oct 14, 2020 14:41:58 GMT
Don't bother, you fired the first shot, and I'm autistic too Jesus H Christ - I thought I was unique. There's only two people on this forum who know I have an 'issue', but since it's coming-out day - what the hell. I'm H.F.A. too! And I thought I was the only special boy here. Now I'm off to sulk somewhere...... I've never asked for any special dispensation. The reason is that, due to the manner in which my brain is wired, I don't give any quarter, so why should I receive any? It's never actually been an 'issue' for me and it causes my wife more problems (especially at dinner parties). I'd go as far as to say that it's actually been a benefit in my life!
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Post by afleitch on Oct 14, 2020 14:44:36 GMT
Don't bother, you fired the first shot, and I'm autistic too Jesus H Christ - I thought I was unique. There's only two people on this forum who know I have an 'issue', but since it's coming-out day - what the hell. I'm H.F.A. too! And I thought I was the only special boy here. Now I'm off to sulk somewhere...... I've never asked for any special dispensation. The reason is that, due to the manner in which my brain is wired, I don't give any quarter, so why should I receive any? It's never actually been an 'issue' for me and it causes my wife more problems (especially at dinner parties). I'd go as far as to say that it's actually been a benefit in my life! It's a politics forum centered around elections and maps. As I've found with the US version I'm a mod in, it's like moths to a flame.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 14:49:32 GMT
Anyway. SNP on 72% with 18-34 year olds is notable, but being on 47% amongst over 55's is where this increase in support is coming from. Even in recent good years for the SNP when they banked 45-50% in elections it was difficult to even top the polling amongst older voters. But polls in late summer were showing them doing much better amongst this age group as were Sturgeon's approvals. This is more than likely a COVID response shift. Undoubtably Covid is driving this, and the fuckwit who is currently residing in number 10. The question is, can the SNP sustain this after Covid, Nicolas done well in the communication space, hence why her approval ratings are so well. But scratch the surface and Scotland has done just as badly as England and Wales. Can the keep this momentum going to May is the key question? And if the election is delayed (unlikely) but if it is, can they keep it going to next September or October? Lots and lots of variables to consider.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 14:50:36 GMT
Don't bother, you fired the first shot, and I'm autistic too Jesus H Christ - I thought I was unique. There's only two people on this forum who know I have an 'issue', but since it's coming-out day - what the hell. I'm H.F.A. too! And I thought I was the only special boy here. Now I'm off to sulk somewhere...... I've never asked for any special dispensation. The reason is that, due to the manner in which my brain is wired, I don't give any quarter, so why should I receive any? It's never actually been an 'issue' for me and it causes my wife more problems (especially at dinner parties). I'd go as far as to say that it's actually been a benefit in my life! Makes sense as to why your a nationalist, NO SURRENDER!
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Post by afleitch on Oct 14, 2020 15:00:01 GMT
Anyway. SNP on 72% with 18-34 year olds is notable, but being on 47% amongst over 55's is where this increase in support is coming from. Even in recent good years for the SNP when they banked 45-50% in elections it was difficult to even top the polling amongst older voters. But polls in late summer were showing them doing much better amongst this age group as were Sturgeon's approvals. This is more than likely a COVID response shift. Undoubtably Covid is driving this, and the fuckwit who is currently residing in number 10. The question is, can the SNP sustain this after Covid, Nicolas done well in the communication space, hence why her approval ratings are so well. But scratch the surface and Scotland has done just as badly as England and Wales. Can the keep this momentum going to May is the key question? And if the election is delayed (unlikely) but if it is, can they keep it going to next September or October? Lots and lots of variables to consider. Even without COVID you still have Brexit which Scotland didn't want, happen for real this time in January, the 'internal market bill' which it didn't ask for and a variety of constitutional questions which will, after January become answers. Even staunch anti-indy devolutionists are irked that powers we voted for in 1997 are being circumvented. Even if responses to COVID become a no score draw for every national and devolved administration, you still have other matters. And yes, as much as it might annoy people, if you are the '45' who want independence that might be closer to '50' you're going to keep voting and keep voting until you make it happen.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 15:15:04 GMT
Undoubtably Covid is driving this, and the fuckwit who is currently residing in number 10. The question is, can the SNP sustain this after Covid, Nicolas done well in the communication space, hence why her approval ratings are so well. But scratch the surface and Scotland has done just as badly as England and Wales. Can the keep this momentum going to May is the key question? And if the election is delayed (unlikely) but if it is, can they keep it going to next September or October? Lots and lots of variables to consider. Even without COVID you still have Brexit which Scotland didn't want, happen for real this time in January, the 'internal market bill' which it didn't ask for and a variety of constitutional questions which will, after January become answers. Even staunch anti-indy devolutionists are irked that powers we voted for in 1997 are being circumvented. Even if responses to COVID become a no score draw for every national and devolved administration, you still have other matters. And yes, as much as it might annoy people, if you are the '45' who want independence that might be closer to '50' you're going to keep voting and keep voting until you make it happen. I don't think Brexit plays that much anymore, and in the north east and coastal communities it could play very well "take back control of our waters" or had it back to the EU.... and get the euro.... and freedom of movement, and pay billions into there budget..... its a totally different argument to make when you are for that, rather from the position of within.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Oct 14, 2020 15:16:09 GMT
Undoubtably Covid is driving this, and the fuckwit who is currently residing in number 10. The question is, can the SNP sustain this after Covid, Nicolas done well in the communication space, hence why her approval ratings are so well. But scratch the surface and Scotland has done just as badly as England and Wales. Can the keep this momentum going to May is the key question? And if the election is delayed (unlikely) but if it is, can they keep it going to next September or October? Lots and lots of variables to consider. Even without COVID you still have Brexit which Scotland didn't want, happen for real this time in January, the 'internal market bill' which it didn't ask for and a variety of constitutional questions which will, after January become answers. Even staunch anti-indy devolutionists are irked that powers we voted for in 1997 are being circumvented. Even if responses to COVID become a no score draw for every national and devolved administration, you still have other matters. And yes, as much as it might annoy people, if you are the '45' who want independence that might be closer to '50' you're going to keep voting and keep voting until you make it happen. Oh please! don't start with that nonsense, Scotland is getting new powers nothing is being taken away.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 14, 2020 15:32:45 GMT
Don't bother, you fired the first shot, and I'm autistic too Jesus H Christ - I thought I was unique. There's only two people on this forum who know I have an 'issue', but since it's coming-out day - what the hell. I'm H.F.A. too! And I thought I was the only special boy here. Now I'm off to sulk somewhere...... I've never asked for any special dispensation. The reason is that, due to the manner in which my brain is wired, I don't give any quarter, so why should I receive any? It's never actually been an 'issue' for me and it causes my wife more problems (especially at dinner parties). I'd go as far as to say that it's actually been a benefit in my life! I'm afraid not - I would hazard a guess that half the members of this forum are somewhere along the spectrum. My own is at the lesser end of the spectrum although I do have a slight speech impediment but it has been mostly eliminated and is no longer very noticeable.
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Post by fourringcircus on Oct 14, 2020 15:47:19 GMT
I'm afraid not - I would hazard a guess that half the members of this forum are somewhere along the spectrum. My own is at the lesser end of the spectrum although I do have a slight speech impediment but it has been mostly eliminated and is no longer very noticeable. Half the members? That explains a lot!! I have an IQ of 130, but I can appear very slow on the uptake sometimes. In primary 1, my teacher once told me to 'hold my tongue' which I immediately actioned. The resulting condemnation and physical abuse left me confused for years (I'd never heard the saying before). I still don't get nuances and although I can often empathise, I struggle with sympathy. Life in black and white is actually quite easy and I often wonder if it's the people who inhabit the grey areas that actually have the problem. The spectrum is exactly that, and although the vast majority of people don't think it applies to them, I believe that it applies to everybody. The fact that there is a portion which is termed 'normal' does not necesarilly make it so. By the same token, Boris has a majority which makes his supporters believe they are normal......
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