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Post by heslingtonian on Oct 28, 2020 7:26:59 GMT
The recalibration of the Republicans as a party which is anti-education and anti-science has done for them here, Biden 56%, Trump 42%
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Post by jamie on Nov 6, 2020 13:30:16 GMT
Biden has comfortably won Virginia Beach (military) and, very surprisingly, Lynchburg. The latter is usually a 10% Republican as the Democratic leaning permanent residential population (substantial black minority) are outvoted by the religious fundamentalists of Liberty University who are monolithically Republican (though in 2016 they had a relatively high right wing 3rd party share). Given Biden's struggles with black voters and Trump's gains with Never Trump Republicans, im genuinely not sure how Biden was able to win there.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 6, 2020 13:47:51 GMT
Biden has comfortably won Virginia Beach (military) and, very surprisingly, Lynchburg. The latter is usually a 10% Republican as the Democratic leaning permanent residential population (substantial black minority) are outvoted by the religious fundamentalists of Liberty University who are monolithically Republican (though in 2016 they had a relatively high right wing 3rd party share). Given Biden's struggles with black voters and Trump's gains with Never Trump Republicans, im genuinely not sure how Biden was able to win there. For the record, Liberty is an evangelical institution, rather than a fundamentalist one. |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 6, 2020 14:17:04 GMT
Biden has comfortably won Virginia Beach (military) and, very surprisingly, Lynchburg. The latter is usually a 10% Republican as the Democratic leaning permanent residential population (substantial black minority) are outvoted by the religious fundamentalists of Liberty University who are monolithically Republican (though in 2016 they had a relatively high right wing 3rd party share). Given Biden's struggles with black voters and Trump's gains with Never Trump Republicans, im genuinely not sure how Biden was able to win there. For the record, Liberty is an evangelical institution, rather than a fundamentalist one. This is where the definition can be unclear, though - Jerry Falwell (its founder) has been described as both. The difference in the US is not always obvious. |
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 6, 2020 14:21:01 GMT
For the record, Liberty is an evangelical institution, rather than a fundamentalist one. This is where the definition can be unclear, though - Jerry Falwell (its founder) has been described as both. The difference in the US is not always obvious. He's generally considered to have moved from one camp to the other. I've come across plenty of positive references to Liberty among people who are definitely evangelical, which would not be the case if Liberty was narrowly fundamentalist.
Either way, it is somewhat odd for Falwell's institution to produce so many Biden votes. It's possible that Covid has moved a much larger proportion of the student body online, and hence resident elsewhere.
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Nov 8, 2020 12:14:56 GMT
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Post by heslingtonian on Nov 8, 2020 12:14:56 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 8, 2020 12:42:17 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested. As with other states that have had such claims made, are all the votes in yet? |
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Post by jamie on Nov 8, 2020 12:56:39 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested. Its not really that bad demographically for him. It trended slightly Democratic in 2016 relative to the country and even this election hasn't really zoomed that much to the left, with Trump actually making further gains in the south west and black belt. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 8, 2020 13:07:15 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested. Its not really that bad demographically for him. It trended slightly Democratic in 2016 relative to the country and even this election hasn't really zoomed that much to the left, with Trump actually making further gains in the south west and black belt. It is pretty bad, tbh. The 2016 performance was slightly inflated by HRC having a Virginian Senator as her VP pick, the rural areas are losing population and the suburbs are growing rapidly. Cracking 45% of the vote is one thing, but it's harder for a Republican to get a plurality of the vote here than in a smaller state where retail politics works better or in a place where Democrats rely on more rural voters. |
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Post by thisguy on Nov 8, 2020 14:24:07 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested. Looks like a write off. Republicans could bring Virginia back into play if Alexandria, Arlington,Fairfax County, Prince William and Loudoun county were transferred into a new DC state. But Republicans oppose DC statehood and Virginia democrats would object to losing their strongest areas. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Nov 8, 2020 14:39:14 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested. As with other states that have had such claims made, are all the votes in yet? About 95% plus are in. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 8, 2020 14:57:17 GMT
Most of the Republican collapse in Virginia appeared to take place in before Trump came on the scene in 2008 and 2012. The fact that Trump could poll nearly 45% in a state which is really bad for him demographically suggests in might not yet be a total write off for the Republicans as many analysts have suggested. A classic failure to understand the concept of high floor / low ceiling. Most of rural Virginia is now overwhelmingly Republican so Trump was always going to poll well over 40% state wide. That isn't to say that a fiscally conservative but socially moderate Republican can't win here in the right circumstances. In the unlikely event that they nominate such a figure for next years Governor's race it would likely be competitive. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 8, 2020 20:13:33 GMT
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Post by neilm on Nov 11, 2020 14:44:31 GMT
Without wanting to get into a massive religious debate, can someone explain the difference between evangelical and fundamentalist to me (and maybe others?) in a nutshell please.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 11, 2020 19:20:28 GMT
Without wanting to get into a massive religious debate, can someone explain the difference between evangelical and fundamentalist to me (and maybe others?) in a nutshell please. Being an absolutist, I will leave this to someone else. Paging greenchristian. |
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Nov 23, 2020 15:26:19 GMT
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Nov 23, 2020 15:26:19 GMT
Final certified results:
Biden 2,413,568 (54.1%)
Trump 1,962,430 (44.0%)
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 24, 2020 10:38:50 GMT
In two referenda, Virginians voted to exempt veterans from a vehicle tax and establish an independent redistricting commission. State House Democrats mostly opposed this measure but it was put to a ballot because a minority of them supported it on anti-gerrymandering principle. The commission still has plenty of room for partisan input as its maps can be rejected and they can be sent back to the drawing board, although past a certain deadline, that will result in map-drawing duty being delegated to the state courts which are mostly filled with Republican appointees. Beyond that, there is still lots of room for non-partisan political input, as the commission's makeup is equally determined by state House Republican and Democratic factions.
Given the bipartisan tendency to self-deal, this means the new Virginia districts are likely to be incumbent-friendly for both parties.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 28, 2020 0:59:51 GMT
Without wanting to get into a massive religious debate, can someone explain the difference between evangelical and fundamentalist to me (and maybe others?) in a nutshell please. Sorry for the late reply. I've been off the forum for a couple of weeks.
In English the term Evangelical refers to the movement that originated in the 18th Century with the likes of John Wesley and the Great Awakening in the 18th century (in some other European languages the word is a synonym for Protestant). It places particular importance on the Bible as the sole source of authority for Christian doctrine and practice and an emphasis on individual salvation by being born again. Evangelicalism today is very much a broad church and contains some quite diverse traditions within it.
Fundamentalism is a much narrower tradition. It began in the late 19th Century, being about adhering to some fundamental beliefs of Christianity which were seen to be under attack by the rise of theological Liberalism at the time. It has evolved into a much narrower, more narrow-minded, and insular variation on Evangelicalism. Ironically, fundamentalists today are not defined by the fundamentals. Their two distinctives are being particularly conservative on non-fundamental issues (e.g. styles of dress, codes of behaviour, styles of worship, in some cases a refusal to use modern Bible translations) and a particular set of non-fundamental doctrines (the dispensationalist view of the end times and cessationism being the most prominent). They tend towards Biblical literalism, and rarely co-operate with Christians outside of their own camp. Like all such categories the lines aren't entirely clear-cut. There are plenty of Evangelicals who hold to some of the fundamentalists' distinctive doctrines and others whose church services and communities might look outwardly similar. To some extent the stereotype of fundamentalist meaning close-minded Biblical literalist is an accurate shorthand. My personal assessment of fundamentalists is that they tend to focus so much on following their interpretation of the details of the Bible that they miss the central message of grace.
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