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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 29, 2023 16:41:02 GMT
The last actual conservative leader of the Conservatives.
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Post by batman on Jan 29, 2023 16:44:43 GMT
I'm genuinely interested in why you say that. What do you find un-Conservative about Theresa May, Liz Truss & Rishi Sunak? I think I know why you say it of Johnson.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 29, 2023 16:47:44 GMT
The last actual conservative leader of the Conservatives. This has been said a couple of times recently . I thought when he was leader everyone on the right thought he was a seal hugging wishy washy remainiac pinko?
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 29, 2023 18:19:17 GMT
I'm genuinely interested in why you say that. What do you find un-Conservative about Theresa May, Liz Truss & Rishi Sunak? I think I know why you say it of Johnson. Sorry I forgot about Liz Truss as she was only there for 5 minutes. May and Sunak are both as big state spendthrifts as Johnson, and don't get me started on May's EU withdrawal agreement.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 29, 2023 18:21:53 GMT
The last actual conservative leader of the Conservatives. This has been said a couple of times recently . I thought when he was leader everyone on the right thought he was a seal hugging wishy washy remainiac pinko? Obviously not everyone on the right saw it that way. Some of us could see the genuinely transformative (and right of centre) nature of much of the agenda he delivered - free schools, police and crime commissioners, universal credit, increasing the value of marriage by making it available to everyone. All at the same time as cutting both taxes and the deficit.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 29, 2023 18:24:44 GMT
This has been said a couple of times recently . I thought when he was leader everyone on the right thought he was a seal hugging wishy washy remainiac pinko? Obviously not everyone on the right saw it that way. Some of us could see the genuinely transformative (and right of centre) nature of much of the agenda he delivered - free schools, police and crime commissioners, universal credit, increasing the value of marriage by making it available to everyone. All at the same time as cutting both taxes and the deficit. Understood.
And the seals?
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 29, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
Pity that he ruined the country, but there we are. I'm sure that there are people under a certain age who have no idea what Magistrate's Courts or District Nurses even are.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 29, 2023 18:37:54 GMT
Obviously not everyone on the right saw it that way. Some of us could see the genuinely transformative (and right of centre) nature of much of the agenda he delivered - free schools, police and crime commissioners, universal credit, increasing the value of marriage by making it available to everyone. All at the same time as cutting both taxes and the deficit. Understood.
And the seals? Yes you've got me there, but seals are actually quite cute, they're basically dogs in water and I like dogs
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Post by European Lefty on Jan 29, 2023 19:11:12 GMT
Pity that he ruined the country, but there we are. I'm sure that there are people under a certain age who have no idea what Magistrate's Courts or District Nurses even are. I only know what district nurses are because of my mum's job. I'm pretty sure most of my friends would have no idea
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 29, 2023 20:10:24 GMT
The last actual conservative leader of the Conservatives. Really? When did that occur? Through Osborne there was a marked and satisfactory conservative element to the economic approach. Everything else was very SDP leading on to effective alt.woke.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 29, 2023 21:01:08 GMT
Obviously not everyone on the right saw it that way. Some of us could see the genuinely transformative (and right of centre) nature of much of the agenda he delivered - free schools, police and crime commissioners, universal credit, increasing the value of marriage by making it available to everyone. All at the same time as cutting both taxes and the deficit. Understood.
And the seals? They will have the same, like the vegetables.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 31, 2023 12:13:30 GMT
Latest survey from these has Lab 49 Con 28.
But.....its just like the build up to 1992!
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Post by batman on Jan 31, 2023 16:32:20 GMT
I know, it's a silly thing to say. I remember the polls at that time very well indeed, as I watched them very closely, and they were nothing like this at all.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 31, 2023 17:03:58 GMT
If you look at where the polls actually were in the 1987-92 Parliament, the change in PMs produced an instant switch round to a Conservative lead and a honeymoon which lasted until the end of the Gulf War, followed by a long period in which the two main parties were pretty much even (which lasted until the election).
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 31, 2023 17:15:04 GMT
If you look at where the polls actually were in the 1987-92 Parliament, the change in PMs produced an instant switch round to a Conservative lead and a honeymoon which lasted until the end of the Gulf War, followed by a long period in which the two main parties were pretty much even (which lasted until the election). Yes, there weren't many months in which the Conservatives did not manage at least one poll lead. What actually happened in 1992 is quite different from the myths that have grown up around it. But that's a bit of a theme, isn't it?
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 31, 2023 18:40:53 GMT
Funnily enough I was looking at this sort of data on last weekend for another reason.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_Kingdom_general_electionon this link, about halfway down is a polling graph. TL,DR = Tories with a small lead up until just before the Thatcher resignation, then a period (c Nov89-Nov90) with a substantial Labour lead of around10-20%, then Tories recovering from late 1990 onwards and they ran pretty much neck-and-neck with probably a marginal edge to Labour but nothing more, right up to the election.
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Post by andrewp on Jan 31, 2023 19:01:39 GMT
A general election where the Conservatives hold St Ives whilst Labour gain Totnes would be….unlikely
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 31, 2023 19:04:56 GMT
Never mind Totnes, what about Hitchin and Harpenden? And South East Cambridgeshire?
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Post by iain on Jan 31, 2023 19:17:26 GMT
Again, what a god-awful selection of seats. Either do Lib Dem or Labour facing, this stuff obscures more than it lights.
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 31, 2023 19:43:24 GMT
Never mind Totnes, what about Hitchin and Harpenden? And South East Cambridgeshire? ..and Wantage?
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