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Post by graham on Oct 4, 2022 11:43:23 GMT
On polling figures like this I certainly fancy Labour's chances in Wimbledon. Sutton Carshalton might also be interesting.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 4, 2022 12:04:55 GMT
Only the LibDems will do far better as they did in 97 because of local factors and deliberate decisions made by Labour as to the seats they will prioritize and those they will leave to the LibDems
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 4, 2022 16:02:51 GMT
A R&W “Red Wall” poll
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Post by graham on Oct 4, 2022 19:50:17 GMT
Only the LibDems will do far better as they did in 97 because of local factors and deliberate decisions made by Labour as to the seats they will prioritize and those they will leave to the LibDems They would make gains simply on account of the collapse in the Tory vote - but their current vote share at circa 10%/11% is well below the 17.5% polled across GB in 1997.Unlikely that the LDs will end up with much more than 25 seats.
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Post by Clark on Oct 5, 2022 19:11:49 GMT
'Red Wall' polling seems very vague to say the least - which locations / areas were used in such a poll? Huge variations on offer hence the vagueness of such a poll
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Post by woollyliberal on Oct 5, 2022 19:17:09 GMT
'Red Wall' polling seems very vague to say the least - which locations / areas were used in such a poll? Huge variations on offer hence the vagueness of such a poll They did state which seats were included, probably in the first poll in the series. The data will be on their website.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 5, 2022 19:52:48 GMT
'Red Wall' polling seems very vague to say the least - which locations / areas were used in such a poll? Huge variations on offer hence the vagueness of such a poll
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 5, 2022 19:55:26 GMT
'Red Wall' polling seems very vague to say the least - which locations / areas were used in such a poll? Huge variations on offer hence the vagueness of such a poll am I blind or is Stoke North and Central there but not South?
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Post by YL on Oct 5, 2022 20:00:18 GMT
am I blind or is Stoke North and Central there but not South? South was a 2017 Tory gain, and the other 2017 Tory gains aren't included either.
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Post by clyde1998 on Oct 5, 2022 23:05:53 GMT
'Red Wall' polling seems very vague to say the least - which locations / areas were used in such a poll? Huge variations on offer hence the vagueness of such a poll Doing some very crude estimates, Labour would easily win all of these on current numbers - in fact I've got them over 50% of the vote when including undecided voters. A 'blue wall' poll right now would be much more interesting and would probably better reflect the Lib Dems' current position better.
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Post by woollyliberal on Oct 6, 2022 16:01:32 GMT
The world's most boring opinion poll
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Post by andrewp on Oct 6, 2022 16:15:02 GMT
The world's most boring opinion poll I don’t know, the SNP have lost 20% of their support in 3 days 🤣
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Post by jamie on Oct 6, 2022 17:10:54 GMT
A 'blue wall' poll right now would be much more interesting and would probably better reflect the Lib Dems' current position better. Not noticed any recently, but a while ago I seem to remember ‘Blue Wall’ polling finding significant LD to Labour movement with an above average Green vote.
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Post by YL on Oct 6, 2022 17:29:52 GMT
A 'blue wall' poll right now would be much more interesting and would probably better reflect the Lib Dems' current position better. Not noticed any recently, but a while ago I seem to remember ‘Blue Wall’ polling finding significant LD to Labour movement with an above average Green vote. I don't think anybody's done a conventional poll (as opposed to an MRP) on the specifically Lib Dem targets in the "Blue Wall". There was a YouGov MRP which did and which showed the Lib Dems doing quite well.
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Post by afleitch on Oct 6, 2022 19:39:12 GMT
Not noticed any recently, but a while ago I seem to remember ‘Blue Wall’ polling finding significant LD to Labour movement with an above average Green vote. I don't think anybody's done a conventional poll (as opposed to an MRP) on the specifically Lib Dem targets in the "Blue Wall". There was a YouGov MRP which did and which showed the Lib Dems doing quite well. Back when Labour only had a 3 point lead :0
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 6, 2022 19:50:23 GMT
Fucking Surrey
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Post by bigfatron on Oct 6, 2022 20:22:10 GMT
That sounds like an up-market dogging website...
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Post by YL on Oct 6, 2022 20:33:33 GMT
That sounds like an up-market dogging website... I thought it was a reaction to this year's County Championship outcome.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 7, 2022 13:43:23 GMT
This, if borne out by repeated polling and the election result, discredits libertarian economics for generations. The party will go nowhere near it for decades.
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Post by willpower3 on Oct 7, 2022 14:07:11 GMT
Or tie it up in nice liberal tones like Cameron and Osborne.
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