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Post by carlton43 on May 24, 2021 22:44:51 GMT
Don't worry chaps. Things can only get better. Well the serious, and obvious, point is that the two with the highest name recognition are the two longest serving, and both actual former Cabinet members. Two things come to mind, are there any comparable figures to previous Shadow Cabinets of either Party (hands up, I didn’t know until reading her Wikipedia page yesterday that Cheryl Gillan had been Shadow Welsh Secretary), and how do actual Cabinet members stack up; wild guess, but I suspect more people can identify Matt Hancock than Oliver Dowden. What is your opinion of Kinnock and Benn?
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Post by timmullen1 on May 25, 2021 0:00:19 GMT
Well the serious, and obvious, point is that the two with the highest name recognition are the two longest serving, and both actual former Cabinet members. Two things come to mind, are there any comparable figures to previous Shadow Cabinets of either Party (hands up, I didn’t know until reading her Wikipedia page yesterday that Cheryl Gillan had been Shadow Welsh Secretary), and how do actual Cabinet members stack up; wild guess, but I suspect more people can identify Matt Hancock than Oliver Dowden. What is your opinion of Kinnock and Benn? Benn was interesting to listen to, whilst disagreeing with much, at least his arguments were thought through and not just knee jerk. I think he deserved credit for not doing a chicken run in 1983 when his Bristol seat was almost indefensible. Unlike Corbyn I think he recognised that being in government was essential and that sometimes meant compromise. I’ve only read an abridged version of his diaries, but there are some interesting bits in there, particularly his respect for Attlee, who despite being in failing health, continued to speak at fundraising events to help Benn meet his legal costs. Kinnock was the last orator in British politics, he saved the Party by being prepared to expel Militant (an interesting time for me as I was living in Dave Nellist’s constituency for a few months). With the benefit of hindsight it was probably better for the Party that he lost in 1992. Also personally very decent, hand wrote me a letter asking about my welfare after his security detail had to help me out of the venue of his debate with Scargill as, shall we say fisticuffs, broke out in the audience, which isn’t a good place to be when you’ve got brittle bones.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 25, 2021 6:23:14 GMT
What is your opinion of Kinnock and Benn? Benn was interesting to listen to, whilst disagreeing with much, at least his arguments were thought through and not just knee jerk. I think he deserved credit for not doing a chicken run in 1983 when his Bristol seat was almost indefensible. Unlike Corbyn I think he recognised that being in government was essential and that sometimes meant compromise. I’ve only read an abridged version of his diaries, but there are some interesting bits in there, particularly his respect for Attlee, who despite being in failing health, continued to speak at fundraising events to help Benn meet his legal costs. Kinnock was the last orator in British politics, he saved the Party by being prepared to expel Militant (an interesting time for me as I was living in Dave Nellist’s constituency for a few months). With the benefit of hindsight it was probably better for the Party that he lost in 1992. Also personally very decent, hand wrote me a letter asking about my welfare after his security detail had to help me out of the venue of his debate with Scargill as, shall we say fisticuffs, broke out in the audience, which isn’t a good place to be when you’ve got brittle bones. Hardly indefensible and he probably wouldn't have foreseen at the time of selection how bad 1983 would be for Labour, but in any case it didn't stop him trying to nick the Bristol South nomination from Michael Cox
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Post by Merseymike on May 25, 2021 6:46:19 GMT
It's interesting how recognition is so much diminished atca time when media coverage is much greater. I suppose it could be linked to the ease of avoiding news bulletins. But also, I do think there is a certain blandness on both front benches. Worse in terms of Labour and the choice of the bland has been very deliberate, but when say David Lammy, who does a regular radio broadcast and does have a personality, is no higher than some of the faceless, it must have wider implications
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Post by yellowperil on May 25, 2021 7:14:56 GMT
Well the serious, and obvious, point is that the two with the highest name recognition are the two longest serving, and both actual former Cabinet members. Two things come to mind, are there any comparable figures to previous Shadow Cabinets of either Party (hands up, I didn’t know until reading her Wikipedia page yesterday that Cheryl Gillan had been Shadow Welsh Secretary), and how do actual Cabinet members stack up; wild guess, but I suspect more people can identify Matt Hancock than Oliver Dowden. What is your opinion of Kinnock and Benn? Personally, I prefer Hilary to Stephen.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 25, 2021 9:11:16 GMT
It's often forgotten that the Bristol East seat Tony Benn ended up standing in at the 1983 general election was actually slightly better for Labour on the notional figures than the actual Bristol South East seat which elected him in 1979. Tony Benn was not on that account a victim of the redistribution.
On the other hand, the new seat did include a large area where Benn had not been the MP and so he had no personal vote, and voters may have been influenced by Benn's very bad press without an opportunity to know him as a person.
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Post by The Bishop on May 25, 2021 10:21:59 GMT
I don't actually think Rayner having a similar figure to Cooper is too bad, given how much longer the latter has been around.
Would be interested to see similar stats for some who are actually in the government.
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Post by carlton43 on May 25, 2021 10:47:40 GMT
What is your opinion of Kinnock and Benn? Personally, I prefer Hilary to Stephen. Thank you. Agreed. It was those two I was referring to of course.
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Post by Merseymike on May 25, 2021 10:56:31 GMT
I don't actually think Rayner having a similar figure to Cooper is too bad, given how much longer the latter has been around. Would be interested to see similar stats for some who are actually in the government. Agreed. I think it's likely that some of the more anonymous ones would have little recognition
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Post by pragmaticidealist on May 25, 2021 12:18:23 GMT
I don't actually think Rayner having a similar figure to Cooper is too bad, given how much longer the latter has been around. Would be interested to see similar stats for some who are actually in the government. For obvious reasons, Hancock is surely the highest profile holder of the health portfolio ever, and would probably score second to Boris himself when you ask people to name a member of the government.
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Post by casualobserver on May 25, 2021 15:54:42 GMT
I don't actually think Rayner having a similar figure to Cooper is too bad, given how much longer the latter has been around. Would be interested to see similar stats for some who are actually in the government. I’d be interested to see similar stats for Kier Starmer!
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Post by timmullen1 on May 25, 2021 16:16:44 GMT
I don't actually think Rayner having a similar figure to Cooper is too bad, given how much longer the latter has been around. Would be interested to see similar stats for some who are actually in the government. I’d be interested to see similar stats for Kier Starmer! They were included in the poll
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Post by johng on May 31, 2021 16:13:07 GMT
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Post by justin124 on Jun 7, 2021 17:22:12 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention (7 June):
Conservative 43% (-2) Labour 36% (+2) Liberal Democrat 7% (-1) Scottish National Party 5% (+1) Green 5% (–) Other 2% (–)
Changes +/- 31 May
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Post by justin124 on Jun 14, 2021 16:24:50 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention (13 June):
Conservative 44% (+1) Labour 34% (-2) Liberal Democrat 9% (+2) Scottish National Party 4% (-1) Green 5% (–) Other 1% (-1)
Changes +/- 7 June
Pretty well identical figures to the data released on 5th April - Easter weekend. No real change in ten weeks with this pollster.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 21, 2021 16:02:31 GMT
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Post by cogload on Jun 21, 2021 18:13:01 GMT
Quick lads - back in double figures! Woo.
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Post by justin124 on Jun 28, 2021 18:09:36 GMT
Westminster Voting Intention (28 June):
Conservative 41% (-3) Labour 34% (+1) Liberal Democrat 9% (-1) Scottish National Party 5% (+1) Green 5% (+1) Reform UK 3% (–) Other 2% (-1)
Changes +/- 21 June
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 29, 2021 10:42:00 GMT
Johnson gets his first negative rating with this pollster since the start of February.
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Post by jamie on Jul 3, 2021 18:20:43 GMT
If there was ever a sign of how broken British politics is, Labour voters are now apparently more right wing on the tax and spend than Conservative voters.
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