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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 13:48:35 GMT
HORNSEY & WOOD GREEN
Hornsey & Wood Green was created in 1983.
Hornsey had been a Tory seat since 1885 although Labour came close in 1966.
Curiously, Hornsey was one of the best seats for the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1945 after Mile End and West Fife (which did elect Communist MPs).
A Communist polled 12,000 votes in Hornsey in 1945.
On the subject of left-wing politics, one Jeremy Corbyn was elected in Harringay ward in 1974. He later became Secretary of Hornsey CLP.
The Kinks grew up in Fortis Green and the first Wetherspoons in the country opened in Muswell Hill in 1979.
Hornsey & Wood Green covers Alexandra Palace, Crouch End, Fortis Green, Harringay, Hornsey, Highgate, Muswell Hill, Stroud Green, and Wood Green.
There are prestigious schools here, including Highgate School (alma mater of Tony Crosland) and Channing School.
Tory Hugh Rossi represented the area from 1966 until his retirement in 1992.
At that election, Barbara Roche defeated Andrew Boff and Labour gained the seat.
By 1997, Labour had a 20,000 majority and the seat looked safe.
Still, the Lib Dems were a serious force locally. Even now, the party can count on Fortis Green, Highgate and Muswell Hill turning out for them in droves, at least in local elections.
In 2005, owing to opposition to the Iraq War and Lib Dem strength locally, Lynne Featherstone took the seat.
By 2010, the Lib Dems built up a considerable majority in the seat.
This wasn't enough to prevent Catherine West, Leader of Islington Council, taking the seat in 2015.
The seat had the lowest combined Conservative and UKIP vote share in the country in 2015, at 11%.
Hornsey & Wood Green is one of the few seats in London that voted Labour in 1992 but didn't back the party in 2010.
Brent East and Hampstead & Highgate were also Labour in 1992 but notionally voted for other parties in 2010.
Labour held the seat by impressive margins in 2017 and 2019.
However this is a volatile seat so a Labour loss in the future cannot be ruled out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 13:59:52 GMT
This 'profile' contains zero description of the seat, the different areas within it and their character. No mention of Wood Green even, besides being mentioned in the name. What is the point of producing a list of this type? You didn't even give me a chance to explain why Muswell Hill doesn't have a tube station! |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 6, 2020 14:00:04 GMT
HORNSEY & WOOD GREEN Hornsey & Wood Green was created in 1983. Hornsey had been a Tory seat since 1885 although Labour came close in 1966. Curiously, Hornsey was one of the best seats for the Communist Party of Great Britain in 1945 after Mile End and West Fife (which did elect Communist MPs). A Communist polled 12,000 votes in Hornsey in 1945. On the subject of left-wing politics, one Jeremy Corbyn was elected in Harringay ward in 1974. He later became Secretary of Hornsey CLP. The Kinks grew up in Fortis Green and the first Wetherspoons in the country opened in Muswell Hill in 1979. Hornsey & Wood Green covers Alexandra Palace, Crouch End, Fortis Green, Harringay, Hornsey, Highgate, Muswell Hill, Stroud Green, and Wood Green. There are prestigious schools here, including Highgate School (alma mater of Tony Crosland) and Channing School. Tory Hugh Rossi represented the area from 1966 until his retirement in 1992. At that election, Barbara Roche defeated Andrew Boff and Labour gained the seat. By 1997, Labour had a 20,000 majority and the seat looked safe. Still, the Lib Dems were a serious force locally. Even now, the party can count on Fortis Green, Highgate and Muswell Hill turning out for them in droves, at least in local elections. In 2005, owing to opposition to the Iraq War and Lib Dem strength locally, Lynne Featherstone took the seat. By 2010, the Lib Dems built up a considerable majority in the seat. This wasn't enough to prevent Catherine West, Leader of Islington Council, taking the seat in 2015. The seat had the lowest combined Conservative and UKIP vote share in the country in 2015, at 11%. Hornsey & Wood Green is one of the few seats in London that voted Labour in 1992 but didn't back the party in 2010. Brent East and Hampstead & Highgate were also Labour in 1992 but notionally voted for other parties in 2010. Labour held the seat by impressive margins in 2017 and 2019. However this is a volatile seat so a Labour loss in the future cannot be ruled out. The Communist George Jones got 12,000 votes in 1945 as he was a very well known figure locally and the local Labour party had been persuaded/cajoled into a popular front arrangement with him as putative candidate. When the local Labour party communicated this to HQ, they were told they couldn't and an official candidate was found, with predictable results. Jones's vote crashed at the next election. The Communists also had a hand in the 1966 result when their candidate Max Morris, first Communist president of the NUT polled enough votes to keep the seat in the Tory column. Within a very few years Morris had joined the Labour party and became one of the more right wing members of the Labour group as councillor for White Hart Lane ward (in Wood Green, then Tottenham constituencies). |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 6, 2020 14:26:21 GMT
This 'profile' contains zero description of the seat, the different areas within it and their character. No mention of Wood Green even, besides being mentioned in the name. What is the point of producing a list of this type? You didn't even give me a chance to explain why Muswell Hill doesn't have a tube station! I will be doing a more thorough profile of this seat later this week when I get to Haringey. @conservativeestimate is more interested in political history than in the character of a seat, and I will probably redo Islington North and Holborn & St Pancras as well. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 6, 2020 16:16:38 GMT
It was Max Morris who most strenuously objected to Tariq Ali joining the Labour Party in the 1980s. I regard Ali as a self-important prat with some at best borderline antisemitic views and am quite pleased not to be in the same party as him although I don't think I'm a fan of Max Morris either. I'm hard to please  Not that hard. I think it's quite possible not to have wanted to spend much time with either of them. Max has been gone twelve years now - you'd never have guessed he was brought up in the Gorbals originally. |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 16, 2020 12:16:24 GMT
This profile has been done without reference to that produced by @conservativeestimate This seat covers the west side of the borough of Haringey, with Southgate to the north, and Finchley to the east, and is very different from Tottenham in the east of the borough. This is very much a middle-class seat, with a highly educated population. While Hampstead has historically been seen as the intellectual centre of London, this seat would more appropriately take this title today, although the demographic data for this seat is very similar. The seat can be divided into three sections. To the east, running from Highgate in the south through Muswell Hill to Fortis Green in the north is the old middle-class section of the seat, once safely Conservative, in the days when class determined voting. Highgate on its hill, with its mansions, and fine pub around the green, is rich indeed (although half of it is in Camden). The proportion of the population doing routine jobs is less than 10%, and social housing is just over 10%. Half of households are owner-occupiers, but as throughout London there is a high proportion of private renting these days which affects political behaviour. It is 80% white, as are Muswell Hill, where there is a significant Jewish population, and Fortis Green. These areas are very similar although not quite as rich. In the south is Hornsey proper, including Crouch End and Stroud Green. This is the intellectual heart of the seat, with a more recent middle-class population of a different nature in the Victorian housing. There is a little more council housing, and a higher black population here, but it is equally high in managerial occupations. To the north of Hornsey is Alexandra Park, with its famous pleasure palace in expansive grounds, formerly the BBC headquarters, and perhaps best known these days as the home of the World Darts Championship. It is something of a crumbling wreck, and plans to restore it to its former glory come and go without ever coming to fruition. The third section is Wood Green, east of the railway line that divides the borough in two. This is still middle-class, but distinctly down market, and intermediate between Tottenham and Hornsey in terms of occupation, and in its proportion of black residents. It is also notable for having a larger "other white" population than white British, like neighbouring Tottenham. This is partly because it is on the Green Lanes corridor, with its high Turkish/Cypriot population, but also because there is a recent and large east European population, not just Polish, but from all parts of eastern Europe. There is a lot of council housing here, and much less owner-occupation. Wood Green is clustered around its major shopping centre, which runs along the High Road between Turnpike Lane and Wood Green underground stations. Politically this seat has an interesting history. Prior to 1983 there were separate Hornsey and Wood Green seats, the former always Conservative, and the latter (which included areas now in Tottenham) always Labour. The amalgamated seat was thought to be marginal, and fell to Labour in 1992. This however was not the end of the story. The Liberal Democrats built up a large support locally, winning 5 of the 9 wards in the 2002 council elections, and then capturing the parliamentary seat in 2005. They consolidated this by winning all the Hornsey wards (but not the Wood Green wards) in 2006 and 2010, and defending the parliamentary seat comfortably. They continue to have considerable strength here, having co-opted most of the former Conservative vote in the old middle-class areas, while also gaining support from the strongly pro-EU population in the intellectual areas. The present MP is Australian born Catherine West, who won the seat back for Labour in 2015 with a large post-coalition swing, and has subsequently consolidated her position. Haringey, like Hackney to the south, is a little too large for 2 seats, while Enfield to the north is a little too small for 3 seats. This means cross-borough seats are inevitable under the new more restrictive rules. The Boundary Commission’s initial proposals sought to solve the problems in north London by carving Barnet into 5 pieces. The 3 western wards (section 1 above) were to be linked with Finchley. In exchange this seat was to gain the Tottenham wards of West Green and White Hart Lane to the east of Wood Green. Following consultation this scheme was scrapped and a completely different configuration for north London is now proposed. Wood Green is to be removed from this seat in its entirety, and linked with Southgate. Highgate is to be unified in a Camden seat. To bring the numbers back up to the right level, Harringay ward, squeezed between Green Lanes and the mainline railway is to be transferred from Tottenham (this area has been in the Hornsey seat before). And finally the Friern Barnet ward is being transferred in, with the constituency name consequently altered to Hornsey & Friern Barnet. The latter ward is safely Labour, as is Harringay, while Highgate is marginally Liberal Democrat, so the loss of Labour Wood Green is unlikely to have much effect in reducing the Labour majority. Census data: owner-occupied 47% (531/573 in England & Wales), private rented 32% (21st), social rented 20% (185th). :White 71%, Black 11%, Sth Asian 4%, Mixed 6%, Other 8% : Managerial & professional 56% (13th), Routine & Semi-routine 16% (558th) : Degree 52% (8th), Minimal qualifications 19% (562nd) : Students 7% (124th), Over 65: 9% (542nd)
| 2010 | % | 2015 | % | 2017 | % | 2019 | % | Labour | 18,720 | 34.0% | 29,417 | 50.9% | 40,738 | 65.4% | 35,126 | 57.5% | Conservative | 9,174 | 16.7% | 5,347 | 9.3% | 9,246 | 14.8% | 6,829 | 11.2% | Liberal Democrat | 25,595 | 46.5% | 18,359 | 31.8% | 10,000 | 16.1% | 15,884 | 26.0% | UKIP/Brexit |
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| 1,271 | 2.2% | 429 | 0.7% | 763 | 1.2% | Green | 1,261 | 2.3% | 3,146 | 5.4% | 1,181 | 1.9% | 2,192 | 3.6% | Others | 292 | 0.5% | 245 | 0.4% | 699 | 1.1% | 311 | 0.5% | Majority | -6,875 | -12.5% | 11,058 | 19.1% | 30,738 | 49.3% | 19,242 | 31.5% |
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Post by bjornhattan on Apr 16, 2020 12:56:23 GMT
It might be worth mentioning that, much like Tottenham, the three Wood Green wards have extremely large communities who are classed as "White Other" in the census. Woodside ward has just about the highest proportion identifying as such outside Central London - only parts of Boston and a West Suffolk ward dominated by the US military have slightly higher figures. Noel Park also has more White Other than White British residents, and this is almost the case in Bounds Green too.
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 16, 2020 13:25:02 GMT
It might be worth mentioning that, much like Tottenham, the three Wood Green wards have extremely large communities who are classed as "White Other" in the census. Woodside ward has just about the highest proportion identifying as such outside Central London - only parts of Boston and a West Suffolk ward dominated by the US military have slightly higher figures. Noel Park also has more White Other than White British residents, and this is almost the case in Bounds Green too. This is an example of the difficulties of writing these profiles. Each one takes me about two and a half hours. In order to get a proper handle on who the “other white” are in Wood Green, I need to investigate the place of birth census table (which of course only tells part of the story). But I only have this by local authority, not by constituency, let alone ward. Of course I can look it up on NOMIS, but have to decide whether it is worth the bother. In this case I decided it wasn’t, because I didn’t know there was anything exceptional about Woodside ward. All detail from local residents is welcome - since you obviously have the data can you say who these people are? |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 16, 2020 13:42:44 GMT
It might be worth mentioning that, much like Tottenham, the three Wood Green wards have extremely large communities who are classed as "White Other" in the census. Woodside ward has just about the highest proportion identifying as such outside Central London - only parts of Boston and a West Suffolk ward dominated by the US military have slightly higher figures. Noel Park also has more White Other than White British residents, and this is almost the case in Bounds Green too. This is an example of the difficulties of writing these profiles. Each one takes me about two and a half hours. In order to get a proper handle on who the “other white” are in Wood Green, I need to investigate the place of birth census table (which of course only tells part of the story). But I only have this by local authority, not by constituency, let alone ward. Of course I can look it up on NOMIS, but have to decide whether it is worth the bother. In this case I decided it wasn’t, because I didn’t know there was anything exceptional about Woodside ward. All detail from local residents is welcome - since you obviously have the data can you say who these people are? Turkish and Greek Cypriots? |
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Post by bjornhattan on Apr 16, 2020 13:46:09 GMT
It might be worth mentioning that, much like Tottenham, the three Wood Green wards have extremely large communities who are classed as "White Other" in the census. Woodside ward has just about the highest proportion identifying as such outside Central London - only parts of Boston and a West Suffolk ward dominated by the US military have slightly higher figures. Noel Park also has more White Other than White British residents, and this is almost the case in Bounds Green too. This is an example of the difficulties of writing these profiles. Each one takes me about two and a half hours. In order to get a proper handle on who the “other white” are in Wood Green, I need to investigate the place of birth census table (which of course only tells part of the story). But I only have this by local authority, not by constituency, let alone ward. Of course I can look it up on NOMIS, but have to decide whether it is worth the bother. In this case I decided it wasn’t, because I didn’t know there was anything exceptional about Woodside ward. All detail from local residents is welcome - since you obviously have the data can you say who these people are? The source which I mainly use is datashine.org.uk - this presents census data in map form, at either ward or street level (depending on how zoomed in you are). The downside is that it only maps one figure at a time - so it's difficult to know exactly which "White Other" groups are significant in each ward without scrolling through each of them (this option is under "Ethnic group (detailed)"). From a quick glance the Cypriot community is significant (like in most of that part of London), and there is a very large Polish community too, but a wide range of groups are fairly well represented - as to be expected from one of the most cosmopolitan places in Britain. |
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Post by bigfatron on Apr 16, 2020 14:21:20 GMT
When I lived in West Green Rd in the early 80's there was a flare up in the Greek v Turkish Cypriot issue; the various communities had a very civilised brawl on WGR where they would stop fighting to allow un-involved locals to pass by, and then start again once we'd got a couple of cars' lengths away!
At the time every third shop was run by Cypriots of one or other community...
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 16, 2020 14:38:52 GMT
When I lived in West Green Rd in the early 80's there was a flare up in the Greek v Turkish Cypriot issue; the various communities had a very civilised brawl on WGR where they would stop fighting to allow un-involved locals to pass by, and then start again once we'd got a couple of cars' lengths away! At the time every third shop was run by Cypriots of one or other community... Although West Green Road is in Tottenham, and I know all about the Cypriot community there from my time living in north London. The thing is that London is ever mutable, and I moved out in 2002 (other than 18 months in Walthamstow). The big influx of people from Europe, both professionals from the west, and routine workers from the east, happened after I left, so I have no personal experience of new concentrations (and immigrant groups always concentrate). bjornhattan ‘s information that other white is higher in Wood Green than in Tottenham or Hornsey came as a complete surprise. Obviously there is a Cypriot population there -always was - but it was lower than in Harringay or Southgate. So there must be a large concentration of other people who arrived between 2002 and 2011. For all I know it could be the centre of Lithuanians in London. My interest piqued I will do some further research to see what I can find out. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 16:38:22 GMT
This profile has been done without reference to that produced by @conservativeestimate This seat covers the west side of the borough of Haringey, with Southgate to the north, and Finchley to the east, and is very different from Tottenham in the east of the borough. This is very much a middle-class seat, with a highly educated population. While Hampstead has historically been seen as the intellectual centre of London, this seat would more appropriately take this title today. The seat can be divided into three sections. To the east, running from Highgate in the south through Muswell Hill to Fortis Green in the north is the old middle-class section of the seat, once safely Conservative, in the days when class determined voting. Highgate on its hill, with its mansions, and fine pub around the green, is rich indeed (although half of it is in Camden). The proportion of the population doing routine jobs is less than 10%, and social housing is just over 10%. Half of households are owner-occupiers, but as throughout London there is a high proportion of private renting these days which affects political behaviour. It is 80% white, as are Muswell Hill, where there is a significant Jewish population, and Fortis Green. These areas are very similar although not quite as rich. In the south is Hornsey proper, including Crouch End and Stroud Green. This is the intellectual heart of the seat, with a more recent middle-class population of a different nature in the Victorian housing. There is a little more council housing, and a higher black population here, but it is equally high in managerial occupations. To the north of Hornsey is Alexandra Park, with its famous pleasure palace in expansive grounds, formerly the BBC headquarters, and perhaps best known these days as the home of the World Darts Championship. It is something of a crumbling wreck, and plans to restore it to its former glory come and go without ever coming to fruition. The third section is Wood Green, east of the railway line that divides the borough in two. This is still middle-class, but distinctly down market, and intermediate between Tottenham and Hornsey in terms of occupation, and in its proportion of black residents. There is a lot of council housing here, and much less owner-occupation. Wood Green is clustered around its major shopping centre, which runs along the High Road between Turnpike Lane and Wood Green underground stations. Politically this seat has an interesting history. Prior to 1983 there were separate Hornsey and Wood Green seats, the former always Conservative, and the latter (which included areas now in Tottenham) always Labour. The amalgamated seat was thought to be marginal, and fell to Labour in 1992. This however was not the end of the story. The Liberal Democrats built up a large supoort locally, winning 5 of the 9 wards in the 2002 council elections, and then capturing the parliamentary seat in 2005. They consolidated this by winning all the Hornsey wards (but not the Wood Green wards) in 2006 and 2010, and defending the parliamentary seat comfortably. They continue to have considerable strength here, having co-opted most of the former Conservative vote in the old middle-class areas, while also gaining support from the strongly pro-EU population in the intellectual areas. The present MP is Australian born Catherine West, who won the seat back for Labour in 2015 with a large post-coalition swing, and has subsequently consolidated her position. Census data: owner-occupied 47% (531/573 in England & Wales), private rented 32% (21st), social rented 20% (185th). :White 71%, Black 11%, Sth Asian 4%, Mixed 6%, Other 8% : Managerial & professional 56% (13th), Routine & Semi-routine 16% (558th)
| 2010 | % | 2015 | % | 2017 | % | 2019 | % | Labour | 18,720 | 34.0% | 29,417 | 50.9% | 40,738 | 65.4% | 35,126 | 57.5% | Conservative | 9,174 | 16.7% | 5,347 | 9.3% | 9,246 | 14.8% | 6,829 | 11.2% | Liberal Democrat | 25,595 | 46.5% | 18,359 | 31.8% | 10,000 | 16.1% | 15,884 | 26.0% | UKIP/Brexit |
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| 1,271 | 2.2% | 429 | 0.7% | 763 | 1.2% | Green | 1,261 | 2.3% | 3,146 | 5.4% | 1,181 | 1.9% | 2,192 | 3.6% | Others | 292 | 0.5% | 245 | 0.4% | 699 | 1.1% | 311 | 0.5% | Majority | -6,875 | -12.5% | 11,058 | 19.1% | 30,738 | 49.3% | 19,242 | 31.5% |
Very good. I still think no profile of this seat is complete without reference to The Kinks and the fact that the first Wetherspoon opened here, but this is very good. |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 16, 2020 16:43:51 GMT
I've done a bit of research, and it is indeed high levels of east Europeans in Wood Green. The Turkish/Greek/Cypriot population is similar to Tottenham at around 7.5%. Woodside is 13% east european, and Bounds Green/Noel Park 10% - still higher than any of the Tottenham wards, and much higher than the Hornsey wards where east european is around 3%. Looking at place of birth there are interesting differences. Woodside has the highest Polish figure, but is also very high on other EU east Europe (excluding Romania & the Baltics) - Bulgarian? Slovak? Bounds Green has 30% less Poles but 20% less other east europe, making the two groups pretty equal. Noel Park has many fewer Poles, but about the same other east Europe.
So a large east European figure plus a large Cypriot etc population, but the east europeans are evenly split between Poles and other.
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 16, 2020 16:57:04 GMT
I've done a bit of research, and it is indeed high levels of east Europeans in Wood Green. The Turkish/Greek/Cypriot population is similar to Tottenham at around 7.5%. Woodside is 13% east european, and Bounds Green/Noel Park 10% - still higher than any of the Tottenham wards, and much higher than the Hornsey wards where east european is around 3%. Looking at place of birth there are interesting differences. Woodside has the highest Polish figure, but is also very high on other EU east Europe (excluding Romania & the Baltics) - Bulgarian? Slovak? Bounds Green has 30% less Poles but 20% less other east europe, making the two groups pretty equal. Noel Park has many fewer Poles, but about the same other east Europe. So a large east European figure plus a large Cypriot etc population, but the east europeans are evenly split between Poles and other. Noel Park resident here.
The number of Greek cypriots diminishes all the time (generally supposed to be heading northwards, but probably just dispersing generally as immigrant populations do). I think every East European country is represented hereabouts (one of my upstairs neighbours is Hungarian) and we even had an Albanian bookshop/centre on Wightman road (although that was just the other side of the constituency boundary).
The old Wood Green seat was Tory, from its creation in 1918 to its being a very much against the trend Labour gain in 1950. The gain can certainly be explained by the fact that the seat became coterminus with Wood Green borough, with Southgate borough removed, but it remained reasonably marginal until its demise in 1983. The Wood Green wards (Noel Park, Woodside, Bounds Green - which was Bowes Park) were also marginal at the time with the Tories often having a majority of the councillors there until 1994, something which seems incredible now.
Harringay ward was part of Hornsey constituency until the 1983 election when it was moved into Tottenham
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 16, 2020 17:08:07 GMT
I've done a bit of research, and it is indeed high levels of east Europeans in Wood Green. The Turkish/Greek/Cypriot population is similar to Tottenham at around 7.5%. Woodside is 13% east european, and Bounds Green/Noel Park 10% - still higher than any of the Tottenham wards, and much higher than the Hornsey wards where east european is around 3%. Looking at place of birth there are interesting differences. Woodside has the highest Polish figure, but is also very high on other EU east Europe (excluding Romania & the Baltics) - Bulgarian? Slovak? Bounds Green has 30% less Poles but 20% less other east europe, making the two groups pretty equal. Noel Park has many fewer Poles, but about the same other east Europe. So a large east European figure plus a large Cypriot etc population, but the east europeans are evenly split between Poles and other. Noel Park resident here. The number of Greek cypriots diminishes all the time (generally supposed to be heading northwards, but probably just dispersing generally as immigrant populations do). I think every East European country is represented hereabouts (one of my upstairs neighbours is Hungarian) and we even had an Albanian bookshop/centre on Wightman road (although that was just the other side of the constituency boundary).
The old Wood Green seat was Tory, from its creation in 1918 to its being a very much against the trend Labour gain in 1950. The gain can certainly be explained by the fact that the seat became coterminus with Wood Green borough, with Southgate borough removed, but it remained reasonably marginal until its demise in 1983. The Wood Green wards (Noel Park, Woodside, Bounds Green - which was Bowes Park) were also marginal at the time with the Tories often having a majority of the councillors there until 1994, something which seems incredible now.
Harringay ward was part of Hornsey constituency until the 1983 election when it was moved into Tottenham
Not only - it also included Northern wards of Tottenham - basically the current Northumberland Park and White Hart Lane wards - Wood Green itself was probably fairly close, but obviously the replacement of Southgate by those Tottenham wards transformed the character of the seat completely, so not a notional 'gain' presumably.. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 16, 2020 17:14:35 GMT
Noel Park resident here. The number of Greek cypriots diminishes all the time (generally supposed to be heading northwards, but probably just dispersing generally as immigrant populations do). I think every East European country is represented hereabouts (one of my upstairs neighbours is Hungarian) and we even had an Albanian bookshop/centre on Wightman road (although that was just the other side of the constituency boundary).
The old Wood Green seat was Tory, from its creation in 1918 to its being a very much against the trend Labour gain in 1950. The gain can certainly be explained by the fact that the seat became coterminus with Wood Green borough, with Southgate borough removed, but it remained reasonably marginal until its demise in 1983. The Wood Green wards (Noel Park, Woodside, Bounds Green - which was Bowes Park) were also marginal at the time with the Tories often having a majority of the councillors there until 1994, something which seems incredible now.
Harringay ward was part of Hornsey constituency until the 1983 election when it was moved into Tottenham
- Wood Green itself was probably fairly close, but obviously the replacement of Southgate by those Tottenham wards transformed the character of the seat completely, so not a notional 'gain' presumably.. it certainly did Pete. I remember having a long-ish argument with someone that NP and WHL were historically Wood Green and not Tottenham. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 16, 2020 17:15:43 GMT
Not only - it also included Northern wards of Tottenham - basically the current Northumberland Park and White Hart Lane wards - Wood Green itself was probably fairly close, but obviously the replacement of Southgate by those Tottenham wards transformed the character of the seat completely, so not a notional 'gain' presumably.. it certainly did Pete. I remember having a long-ish argument with someone that NP and WHL were historically Wood Green and not Tottenham. Yes but not Wood Green borough |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 17:28:22 GMT
I've done a bit of research, and it is indeed high levels of east Europeans in Wood Green. The Turkish/Greek/Cypriot population is similar to Tottenham at around 7.5%. Woodside is 13% east european, and Bounds Green/Noel Park 10% - still higher than any of the Tottenham wards, and much higher than the Hornsey wards where east european is around 3%. Looking at place of birth there are interesting differences. Woodside has the highest Polish figure, but is also very high on other EU east Europe (excluding Romania & the Baltics) - Bulgarian? Slovak? Bounds Green has 30% less Poles but 20% less other east europe, making the two groups pretty equal. Noel Park has many fewer Poles, but about the same other east Europe. So a large east European figure plus a large Cypriot etc population, but the east europeans are evenly split between Poles and other. Noel Park resident here.
The number of Greek cypriots diminishes all the time (generally supposed to be heading northwards, but probably just dispersing generally as immigrant populations do). I think every East European country is represented hereabouts (one of my upstairs neighbours is Hungarian) and we even had an Albanian bookshop/centre on Wightman road (although that was just the other side of the constituency boundary).
The old Wood Green seat was Tory, from its creation in 1918 to its being a very much against the trend Labour gain in 1950. The gain can certainly be explained by the fact that the seat became coterminus with Wood Green borough, with Southgate borough removed, but it remained reasonably marginal until its demise in 1983. The Wood Green wards (Noel Park, Woodside, Bounds Green - which was Bowes Park) were also marginal at the time with the Tories often having a majority of the councillors there until 1994, something which seems incredible now.
Harringay ward was part of Hornsey constituency until the 1983 election when it was moved into Tottenham
Wood Green was not a Labour gain in 1950. Conservative MP Beverley Baxter followed most of his constituents from Wood Green to the new Southgate seat after boundary changes. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 16, 2020 17:30:39 GMT
Noel Park resident here. The number of Greek cypriots diminishes all the time (generally supposed to be heading northwards, but probably just dispersing generally as immigrant populations do). I think every East European country is represented hereabouts (one of my upstairs neighbours is Hungarian) and we even had an Albanian bookshop/centre on Wightman road (although that was just the other side of the constituency boundary).
The old Wood Green seat was Tory, from its creation in 1918 to its being a very much against the trend Labour gain in 1950. The gain can certainly be explained by the fact that the seat became coterminus with Wood Green borough, with Southgate borough removed, but it remained reasonably marginal until its demise in 1983. The Wood Green wards (Noel Park, Woodside, Bounds Green - which was Bowes Park) were also marginal at the time with the Tories often having a majority of the councillors there until 1994, something which seems incredible now.
Harringay ward was part of Hornsey constituency until the 1983 election when it was moved into Tottenham
Wood Green was not a Labour gain in 1950. Conservative MP Beverley Baxter followed most of his constituents from Wood Green to the new Southgate seat after boundary changes. And indeed Labour MP William Irving followed most of his constituents from Tottenham North to the new Wood Green seat |
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