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Post by Admin Twaddleford on Mar 13, 2020 22:29:40 GMT
Incorporating the constituencies of:
Brecon and Radnorshire
Carmarthen East and Dinefwr
Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire
Ceredigion
Dwyfor Meirionnydd
Llanelli
Montgomeryshire
Preseli Pembrokeshire
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Post by andrea on Jul 11, 2020 19:20:31 GMT
Labour Welsh Executive met earler this week. On the selection here, they had to decide between a) sitting AMs Watson and Morgan to be automatically reselected as the top two candidates b) to hold a "trigger ballot" to place them at the top of the list.
The second option won 16 to 11. August meetings for CLPs have been also allowed.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 11, 2020 20:01:39 GMT
As it should be.
Automatically appointing candidate(s) at the top of a list (especially for Labour in this region) almost creates a job for life type scenario.
It will be interesting to see what happens. Watson may well be viewed as hanging on too long, Eluned Morgan might be tempted to seek a safer seat elsewhere.
I assume Labour are still enforcing the rule that their own candidates need to choose between a constituency or region?
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Post by andrea on Sept 9, 2020 22:19:05 GMT
Morgan and Watson won the reselection trigger ballot in all CLPs. So they will be guaranteed the top 2 spots in the list. Members ballot will now take place to decide who will be in top spot and who will be the third and fourth candidates
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Post by neilm on Sept 11, 2020 8:22:17 GMT
Why not just combine the two things in one vote? Two ballots: to trigger or not, and if there's no trigger then who will be first.
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Post by andrea on Sept 11, 2020 20:02:30 GMT
Why not just combine the two things in one vote? Two ballots: to trigger or not, and if there's no trigger then who will be first. They are doing the ballot for top 2 along with the ballot for the rest of the list. I think the problem of doing trigger ballot and ranking of incumbents together is that in the trigger ballot system the votes are counted at CLP level and it's the CLP that is casting a vote in the system. If you win one CLP 51 to 49 and lost antoher 10 to 90, it is 1-1 in the trigger ballot count. Not all CLPs vote at the same day and they do not know the outcome in the others to decide if they need also the ranking part too. |
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Post by johng on Sept 12, 2020 16:29:47 GMT
As it should be. Automatically appointing candidate(s) at the top of a list (especially for Labour in this region) almost creates a job for life type scenario. It will be interesting to see what happens. Watson may well be viewed as hanging on too long, Eluned Morgan might be tempted to seek a safer seat elsewhere. I assume Labour are still enforcing the rule that their own candidates need to choose between a constituency or region?
Watson has only been AM since 2007. Is that really too long?
On Morgan, 2003 was a bit of an anomaly for Labour here. If she can get number 1 on the list, she's almost certainly safe.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 13, 2020 18:13:49 GMT
As it should be. Automatically appointing candidate(s) at the top of a list (especially for Labour in this region) almost creates a job for life type scenario. It will be interesting to see what happens. Watson may well be viewed as hanging on too long, Eluned Morgan might be tempted to seek a safer seat elsewhere. I assume Labour are still enforcing the rule that their own candidates need to choose between a constituency or region?
Watson has only been AM since 2007. Is that really too long?
On Morgan, 2003 was a bit of an anomaly for Labour here. If she can get number 1 on the list, she's almost certainly safe.
Labour's regional list vote in 2016 was 41,975 which was divided by 2 (Llanelli) to give starting point of 20,988 (behind the Lib Dems starting point but ahead of Abolish the Welsh Assembly). If Labour gain Preseli (6.92%) and Carmarthen West (5.77%) that would see their regional vote divided by four which would be 10,494 on 2016's numbers which would NOT have gained them any additional members. By my reckoning, if you get around 13,000 regional votes after division you stand a good chance of getting a regional member. |
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Post by kefin on Sept 13, 2020 20:55:15 GMT
As it should be. Automatically appointing candidate(s) at the top of a list (especially for Labour in this region) almost creates a job for life type scenario. It will be interesting to see what happens. Watson may well be viewed as hanging on too long, Eluned Morgan might be tempted to seek a safer seat elsewhere. I assume Labour are still enforcing the rule that their own candidates need to choose between a constituency or region?
Watson has only been AM since 2007. Is that really too long?
On Morgan, 2003 was a bit of an anomaly for Labour here. If she can get number 1 on the list, she's almost certainly safe.
Probably only by about 13 years. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 25, 2020 18:53:20 GMT
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Post by spirit on Oct 25, 2020 21:20:08 GMT
Congratulations. With regards the link, are the Green Party limiting themselves to regional contests? |
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Post by neilm on Oct 25, 2020 23:05:45 GMT
Why are some of the Green candidates 'lead' and some 'first'?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 26, 2020 14:08:17 GMT
Congratulations. With regards the link, are the Green Party limiting themselves to regional contests? I believe that the focus will be on the regional list and therefore constituency candidates will be chosen nearer the time. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 26, 2020 16:12:26 GMT
Congratulations.ย With regards the link, are the Green Party limiting themselves to regional contests? I believe that the focus will be on the regional list and therefore constituency candidates will be chosen nearer the time. Harry, is Marc Pearton the fellow with a genetics PhD? |
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Post by ๐๐๐๐ญ๐ก ๐๐๐ฌ๐ญ on Oct 26, 2020 17:44:27 GMT
I believe that the focus will be on the regional list and therefore constituency candidates will be chosen nearer the time. Harry, is Marc Pearton the fellow with a genetics PhD? Hopefully, unless votes for prisoners has jumped the shark... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-39885805 |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 26, 2020 20:25:52 GMT
I believe that the focus will be on the regional list and therefore constituency candidates will be chosen nearer the time. Harry, is Marc Pearton the fellow with a genetics PhD? I can't say to be sure. Thanks to the pandemic everything has been virtual and therefore I haven't had a chance to meet the other candidates yet, hopefully now that all 20 have been selected we will have a virtual getting to know you meeting and I can find out. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 30, 2020 15:16:12 GMT
Plaid list:
1. Cefin Campbell
2. Helen Mary Jones (sitting member)
3. Rhys Thomas
4. Elwyn Vaughan
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 30, 2020 19:57:37 GMT
Labour list:
1. Eluned Morgan (sitting member)
2. Joyce Watson (sitting member)
3. Helen Taylor
4. Ben Gwalchmai
Eluned and Joyce have swapped places from 2016.
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Post by andrea on Oct 30, 2020 21:21:29 GMT
Labour list: 1. Eluned Morgan (sitting member) 2. Joyce Watson (sitting member) 3. Helen Taylor 4. Ben Gwalchmai Eluned and Joyce have swapped places from 2016. As only incumbent last time, Watson got top spot after winning trigger ballot. I suspect Morgan would have beaten her last time too if there would have been a contest between them. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 30, 2020 22:21:34 GMT
As I said further up - I wonder if people think sheโs hung around too long I certainly do - sheโs certinly not the dynamic of members shall we say.
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